Greta Thunburg and the "climate crisis"

**NCRAVEN** · 12-19-2019, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

But do we need to politicize and monetize on a massively global scale to what can be most accurately termed an “Extremely Educated Guess”.

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Yes! You right wing science denying nut job!

**blah3** · 12-19-2019, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

The Oceans argument is a huge one you brush off as always. The ocean simply proves my point, that the system is simply far more complex than man has any right understanding to the level they claim at this moment.
All of the first decade plus of projections and models were proven flat out wrong.., Because they “forgot” about what the oceans would absorb. What’s they next variable they forgot and left as a constant? What’s the next relationship they didn’t understand and have backwards?
The hubris of man. Might we be affecting the climate? Maybe. Should we be attempting to be reducing pollutants, of course. But do we need to politicize and monetize on a massively global scale to what can be most accurately termed an “Extremely Educated Guess”.

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You left of the more simpler hubris, like we know the ocean temperature. Sure we can measure the temperature at specific spots, but we cannot measure the whole temperature of the ocean at all areas and depths.

**jonboy79** · 12-19-2019, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

You left of the more simpler hubris, like we know the ocean temperature. Sure we can measure the temperature at specific spots, but we cannot measure the whole temperature of the ocean at all areas and depths.

And we add “correction factors” to every single data point.

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**blueridgemtnman** · 12-23-2019, 10:15 AM

Interesting video from an actual Swedish woman on how life currently is in her home country.

https://youtu.be/oZCCXZz5Esw

**darb72** · 12-23-2019, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by blueridgemtnman

Interesting video from an actual Swedish woman on how life currently is in her home country.

https://youtu.be/oZCCXZz5Esw

I read the other day that Sweden has an average of two explosions a day from weapons such as grenades.

**CarrollCoRaven** · 12-23-2019, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by blueridgemtnman

Interesting video from an actual Swedish woman on how life currently is in her home country.

https://youtu.be/oZCCXZz5Esw

Do you realize your trolling with live chum?

**blueridgemtnman** · 12-23-2019, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by CarrollCoRaven

Do you realize your trolling with live chum?

Moi?

**Greg** · 12-23-2019, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by bossofataka

Oh look who´s happy again! Mr Oliva Newton-John! Now, tell me about that average income in Sweden, supposedly below the poorest 20% of americans.

Also, tell me about the polish missile defense system, about french selling arab nations your weapons (!) (and how US isn´t or...?).

And perhaps about the gas from Russia, we could discuss that too!

Oh, and I think I saw your input on how and when christianity spread too! You had this astonishing claim I saw: "The new testament was starting to be written in 1AD. By 34AD, it had spread rampantly throughout the entire middle east, north Africa, all the way to northern Europe." Lets discuss that too!

You´re a parody of yourself and you don´t even know it.

I know 1 AD is incorrect given Jesus wasn't crucified and resurrected until 30 or 33 AD. That said, Paul's letters were written between 48 and 66 AD. His first letter to the Corinthians has likely the earliest Christian creed that likely dates back 2 years or so of the crucifixion and resurrection, and quite possibly within months or it. On the original Greek this creed was written in a way to make it easy to be memorized for a culture where most couldn't read or write. You can even hear and feel the rhythm in English.

1 Cor. 15 - 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

In his letter to the Galatians, probably the earliest one in around 48 AD, he references what he learned of first importance. Most NT scholars would say that is the above creed.

Now if you are one of those folks that think that any part of the NT was written any later than 95 AD (Revelation and possibly the Gospel of John, both attributed to the apostle John who was likely a teenager at the time of the crucifixion and resurrection and probably about 75-80 in AD 95).

And it did spread quite rapidly. And not by the point of the sword but in spite of one directed at it with severe persecution.

I will happily discuss it anytime.

**CarrollCoRaven** · 12-30-2019, 12:22 AM

Children Are Our Future…Unless We Stop Using Them

https://townhall.com/columnists/dere...-them-n2558629

**DitkasSausage** · 01-02-2020, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Greg

I know 1 AD is incorrect given Jesus wasn't crucified and resurrected until 30 or 33 AD. That said, Paul's letters were written between 48 and 66 AD. His first letter to the Corinthians has likely the earliest Christian creed that likely dates back 2 years or so of the crucifixion and resurrection, and quite possibly within months or it. On the original Greek this creed was written in a way to make it easy to be memorized for a culture where most couldn't read or write. You can even hear and feel the rhythm in English.

1 Cor. 15 - 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

In his letter to the Galatians, probably the earliest one in around 48 AD, he references what he learned of first importance. Most NT scholars would say that is the above creed.

Now if you are one of those folks that think that any part of the NT was written any later than 95 AD (Revelation and possibly the Gospel of John, both attributed to the apostle John who was likely a teenager at the time of the crucifixion and resurrection and probably about 75-80 in AD 95).

And it did spread quite rapidly. And not by the point of the sword but in spite of one directed at it with severe persecution.

I will happily discuss it anytime.

Thank you and yes. I knew I wasn't 100% on the dates... I was throwing it up from memory. It was about a 30-40 year span that Christianity spread from letters and stories, to a full fledged religion. In that time period... completely unprecedented especially since it wasn't government sanctioned at all... in fact, governments attempted to suppress it (I'm using the term "government" loosely btw....)

However... I'm just a joke apparently...

**Greg** · 01-02-2020, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by DitkasSausage

Thank you and yes. I knew I wasn't 100% on the dates... I was throwing it up from memory. It was about a 30-40 year span that Christianity spread from letters and stories, to a full fledged religion. In that time period... completely unprecedented especially since it wasn't government sanctioned at all... in fact, governments attempted to suppress it (I'm using the term "government" loosely btw....)

However... I'm just a joke apparently...

Historically, Christianity does better when not attached to the government. In fact, often in spite of government persecution. The fastest-growing church in the world is in China.

It is an anomaly in that most other major religions do better when wedded to government.

It is also true that where religious freedom exists it is almost always a Christian dominated culture.

**bossofataka** · 01-02-2020, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by blueridgemtnman

Interesting video from an actual Swedish woman on how life currently is in her home country.

https://youtu.be/oZCCXZz5Esw

Yeah... FYI she´s part of the SD (Sverigedemokraterna) party internet warriors, that blame everything in this world on immigration and make everything they can to picture Sweden as hell on earth. You should check them out, they make far right racist republicans look good.