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09-10-2019, 03:26 PM #1Four-eyed Raven
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QB Runs
Two things I thought we'd want to keep track of this season, were the run/pass balance under Roman, and the rushes by the QB. Started a thread Sunday evening for the first. Here's the second.
Game 1
When Who What Scramble? Option? Kneel? Hit? Official? Q1 5:12 Lamar QB Power right – Maybe (fake to Hill) – Yes Q2 14:54 Lamar Up middle – Yes (triple w RPO) – Yes Q2 10:38 Lamar Up mid-right Yes – – Yes Reg as sack Q2 0:13 Lamar Victory – – Yes – Q3 9:11 Lamar Run left – Yes (Ingram middle) – Yes No-Holding (Stanley) Q4 11:26 RG3 Run right – – – Yes Q4 1:55 RG3 Run right – Maybe (fake Hill) – No-slide Q4 1:06 RG3 Up middle – Maybe (fake Gus) – Yes Q4 0:21 RG3 Victory – – Yes –
So: this is an attempt to track and "categorize" the QB runs. We talked offseason about "Well most of Lamar's runs were designed" or whatever. I'd like to see if we can put some data around that.
One of these snaps was wiped out by penalty.
EDIT: No it wasn't. See OrgChaos reply below. Updated the table.
EDIT2: Oh wait, yes there was one wiped out by penalty. See later in thread. Table updated again.
It's tough for me as a layman, to know whether a play is really an option or just a fake handoff. There's a lot of "maybes" in the option column above. That's probably the best I will ever be able to do. I think some of those should be "no"; and certainly some should be yes.
BTW, I seem to be the only person who thinks that run at Q2 10:30 was a scramble. Well: I do.Last edited by JimZipCode; 09-11-2019 at 12:21 AM.
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09-10-2019, 04:29 PM #2
Re: QB Runs
Looks good, Jim! A couple of things:
- That Lamar run was not wiped out by penalty. He got the 4 rushing yards, and the defensive hold was added on to the end of the run
- I don't believe the NFL will ever consider a play that ends behind the LoS a scramble. The official play by play calls that a sack.
I can't help with knowing whether a handoff is an option or a fake (I'm in the same boat!), but would you find it helpful if I provided the quarter, time, who, scramble, and kneel immediately post-game (well, Sunday night at least)? I would have some trouble with plays that actually are wiped out by penalty, but I can capture all the others pretty simply.Shared Google Folder with Ravens spreadsheets, nextGen charts, and more! Please share my content! (attribution to Twitter requested)
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09-10-2019, 06:36 PM #3Four-eyed Raven
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09-10-2019, 06:39 PM #4Four-eyed Raven
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09-10-2019, 08:00 PM #5
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Sounds good. I'll put something together for you Sunday night.
That sack/scramble play is weird. Something is obviously wrong because Lamar fakes to air (Ingram goes the other direction). Then, Yanda nearly decleats Lamar as 8 is trying to escape. Just incredibly odd.Shared Google Folder with Ravens spreadsheets, nextGen charts, and more! Please share my content! (attribution to Twitter requested)
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09-10-2019, 08:23 PM #6
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Ah! We both missed one! Lamar has a carry nullified by a hold on Stanley at (Q3, 9:10).
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Re: QB Runs
I liked Lamar Jackson only having four carries. That needs to continue and it does not need to increase of the passing offense hits a rough patch.
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09-10-2019, 11:54 PM #8Four-eyed Raven
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09-11-2019, 12:17 AM #9Four-eyed Raven
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09-11-2019, 12:24 AM #10Four-eyed Raven
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Re: QB Runs
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09-11-2019, 07:28 AM #11
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Well, I'm going to miss those pretty consistently unless I change something (I look for official stats). I can make coding adjustments to look for that sort of play, but it would be slightly annoying. A better solution is probably exactly what happened here: watch the film, keep an eye out for nullified Lamar carries, add them in accordingly.
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09-11-2019, 07:32 AM #12
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