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Thread: Messages sent to these two
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06-04-2021, 09:31 AM #61
Re: Messages sent to these two
What’s annoying ... and I went back and read you initial post multiple times - is that it’s preposterous that the double dipping at WR and CB was done to send a message (you excepted OLB because they were positions of need).
Since you cut out the part of my post that addresses why I’ll add another reason: whether DeCosta wants them to be Ravens beyond 2022 or not he is still going to fill the roster with talent to the best of his abilities in order to avoid having limited options. Superstar? Yep draft his replacement so he can walk and the Ravens can get a high comp pick and move on. Bum? Draft someone we hope can take snaps. Anyone? Draft a player you hope is better so the coach gets competition and holes are avoided in later years. Select BPA because from a value perspective you have the fewest holes to fill with free agents. That is all. “Sending a message” to players with draft picks may happen in highly dysfunctional franchises but if you think the Ozzy/DeCosta brain trust would not laugh talk like that out of a draft room I din’t think you have been paying close attention to how the team operates.
You’re a good poster Shah and I don’t want a fight about it but it’s nothing more than the business of football happening. Wade really looks like a high-value pick and a good roster hole due to Tavon’s not-insignificant injury risk. God I am pulling for Tavon because he is a baller. Miles is gifted like Waller and could have a similar trajectory. But Wallace looks like he could be a super slot WR and I bet he helps the team.
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Re: Messages sent to these two
Look, it sounds like the objection here is the choice of, "message sent" in the title, which is being taken literally, as if I am saying draft decisions were made primarily to send messages to Young and Boykin. I'm not saying that.
I think you're making it more complicated than I see it. Of course the team is always adding for the future. And all I am saying is that when they make big investments in players at certain players you know those players are going to be given a chance. So it's a numbers game. It's nothing personal against Young and Boykin.
The 2020 roster included 3 receivers who aren't on the team Moore, Snead and Bryant. Moore barely even counts with basically only limited use in week 17, twelve snaps. Bryant averaged about 20 snaps in three games. Between the two of them they don't ever really qualify as one roster spot. So, if they are adding three WRs it seemed fair to suggest someone's job is in jeopardy. One new guy will get Sneads snaps. But the other two will impact others in the WR negatively, be that snaps or a roster spot altogether.
For me to point to Boykin as someone who sees what may be coming doesn't seem controversial to me, while granted you could also look at Proche.
I never said DeCosta signed one and drafted two WRs because he intended to make a statement about Boykin. I never said that Eric made draft decisions so that certain players on the roster would wake up. That's absurd. He made decisions because they weren't satisfied with the room in general and the draft fell in a way where players they liked were there for the taking. Of course he was merely determined to bring in more talent for the future, and let the best man win.
But those decisions create a numbers game, at certain positions and put pressure on certain players at those positions and that's what I mean by sending a message. The message is that when some new men are just about guaranteed to win, some other man is just about guaranteed to lose. That's the message indirectly sent but heard loud and clear.
The same math can be done with the cornerbacks. They added two to a group that already didn't have Young on the roster after game 2 last year. And they have a handful of young cheap corners in the wings. The room currently consists of eleven corners.
Marlon Humphrey, Marcus Peters, Anthony Averett, Jimmy Smith, Khalil Dorsey, Davontae Harris, Iman Marshall, Chris Westry, Tavon Young, Shaun Wade, Brandon Stephens
If you want to call Stephens a safety, okay, but it's a big DB room, and Young is a guy set to count $6MM and $9MM against the cap the next two years. Again, it's just math. The fact that the room is stuffed with cheap talent has to be a message to Young, regardless of DeCosta's intentions."That's what."
— She
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06-04-2021, 11:18 AM #63
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Re: Messages sent to these two
No problem. I am glad we cleared it up.
I was guilty of the exact same thing a couple weeks ago, in the thread "There can only be One #1 WR - Hollywood vs Bateman" where I was hung up on the idea that there is room for both, and everyone told me that the discussion wasn't implying we had to choose, even though the thread title implied we did.
So, kharma is a bitch."That's what."
— She
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Re: Messages sent to these two
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06-04-2021, 12:11 PM #66
Re: Messages sent to these two
Not to beat the horse skeleton further, but thread titles are "kinda" important to shaping the discussion that flows from them. The title and some of the posts do give off the vibe that EDC and the FO are sitting in the draft room and thinking "who can we draft to wake up our shitlist players?" It's an absurdly simple way to look at how/why certain positions were drafted. I get that spending significant draft capital tends to lead some of us to believe that a guy will be given every opportunity to displace someone else at their position...but it still is just based on potential/speculation until they get out on the field. If "Slack Daddy", "Mr. IR" and the "Tiger in the tall grass" all come in healthy, hungry and clearly better than guys that were drafted to potentially replace them, those replacements will sit. Of course, that would probably convince some folks that the only reason those guys showed out is because their jobs were threatened, lol.
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