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11-21-2019, 02:12 AM #1Four-eyed Raven
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Is it that Trump didn't do it? Or that maybe he did, but it's no big deal?
The "impending impeachment" thread is 33 pages already, and I can't get thru one without my eyes glazing over.
What's the consensus from the Conservatariat here? Is the defense of Donald J that:
- The Dems haven't produced enough real evidence to support their allegation?
OR- The prez may well have done it, but "it" is not misconduct in any way? It's all pretend outrage over nothing much?
For purposes of understanding y'all's positions, I'm going to treat any answer of "both" as a "B". My thinking there is, if someone answers "both", that means that even if the next witness produces the smoking gun, connects all the dots and documents every last detail; that still wouldn't justify impeachment, because the actions described don't amount to anything wrong. Make sense?
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11-21-2019, 07:40 AM #2Veteran Poster
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Re: Is it that Trump didn't do it? Or that maybe he did, but it's no big deal?
Or. It is both He didn’t do it. But if trump wants to make policy, he could.
So far, we have a transcript that says it didn’t happen
We have both parties on the call say it didn’t happen
We have testimony that says it didn’t happen
But but
We have third hand opinion that thinks it did
The dems are doing three things with this latest made up scam. They are strengthening trumps base
They are feeding the fringe extreme left that already suffered from TDS. (We see that here )
And they are numbing the senses of the independents
From a poll dated yesterday.
Trump approval ticks up. Gallup
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...p%3famp?espv=1
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11-21-2019, 08:06 AM #3Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Is it that Trump didn't do it? Or that maybe he did, but it's no big deal?
Only team Trump would celebrate a 2 point “tick” up in one poll to 43 when the margin of error is +/- 4 points.
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11-21-2019, 08:18 AM #4Veteran Poster
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11-21-2019, 08:27 AM #5Regular 1st Stringer
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11-21-2019, 08:38 AM #7Regular 1st Stringer
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11-21-2019, 08:43 AM #8Veteran Poster
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Re: Is it that Trump didn't do it? Or that maybe he did, but it's no big deal?
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11-21-2019, 09:13 AM #9Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Is it that Trump didn't do it? Or that maybe he did, but it's no big deal?
Ok: so "B". Even if the witnesses were to demonstrate that "it" absolutely DID happen, that still wouldn't be grounds for impeachment because it's A-ok for the president to do that. Yeah?
You also spend a paragraph on A; but I gather that the above represents your stance. Excuse me, part of your stance.
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11-21-2019, 09:24 AM #10Veteran Poster
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Re: Is it that Trump didn't do it? Or that maybe he did, but it's no big deal?
I am suggesting that
A. I haven’t seen any evidence that this happened. I have seen lots of evidence that it didn’t
B. When it comes to foreign aid and policy. Or getting foreign leaders to do things (as long as they are legal), I think it ultimately comes down to the presidents policy)
If president obama wants to do a deal with Iran and send money back to them, it is not an impeachable act
If president trump wants to meet with the leader of NK. And tell him that money will stop if you don’t stop doing this, or doing that, it’s the presidents policy
And if the next president wants to go to another foreign leader with demands, it’s the presidents policy.
If this was really an issue, then the evidence is pointing that Biden (the Obama admin) openly bragged about holding funds for an action. He admitted to a quid pro quo. And, not one single person (that wants trump impeached) had an issue with that. This is all I need to see, to know this is just a scam that all past administrations openly were doing
As much as the left wants to make this an impeachable offense. The precedence has been established that telling Ukraine to do things based on funding, is looked at, as being a strong leader. Thank you Joe Biden and the Washington establishment.Last edited by Vlad the lad; 11-21-2019 at 09:30 AM.
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11-21-2019, 09:29 AM #11Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Is it that Trump didn't do it? Or that maybe he did, but it's no big deal?
I don’t exactly know what ‘it’ means to you.
This was the President exercising presidential powers. The dems are trying to manipulate the president doing his job into an impeachable offense. Actually I think they are more than happy just having the president investigated, so they can continue to cast aspersions. This is govt paid for opposition research and election campaigning
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11-21-2019, 09:30 AM #12
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