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11-30-2012, 03:54 PM #49Veteran Poster
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Re: What is Joe worth?
Rankings somewhat depend on who you disqualify from the discussion. On ESPN for example they set the bar at a minimum of 250 attempts. In that case, Flacco finished 18th last year, with a rating of 80.9:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...1/seasontype/2
The other years are:
2010 - 93.6 - 7th
2009 - 88.9 - 13th
2008 - 80.3 - 22nd
But I agree that Joe is not consistently limited to 15-20th by any stretch. But I also think he would have been better served (by the numbers) to say 10-20th, as the data still holds; really top 10 is a better "divider" according to the limited data. And of course winning the SB with a 15+ or even 20+ rating rank is not impossible as history shows.Last edited by Haloti92; 11-30-2012 at 03:59 PM.
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11-30-2012, 06:49 PM #50Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: What is Joe worth?
I hope that Ozzie knows what he's doing. IMO, we should have at least made it appear like we had a legitimate back-up ready to come in if signing Flacco wasn't a possibility. Take a real QB in the later rounds of the draft (sorry Taylor, somebody that can stand in the pocket and throw) or kept a wash-out former starter in the wings (like a Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson/Vince Young). We need to have some leverage, or Joe can pretty much ask for anything.
It doesn't matter if he is infact a top 5 QB or not. The minute that we sit around and start talking about him being irreplaceable and can't imagine our future without him is the minute that we need to face that facts that he's going to get a top 5 contract.
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Re: What is Joe worth?
Rankings are for losers. Use your eyes. If Joe were in a WC offense, he'd have higher ratings.
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11-30-2012, 07:06 PM #53Veteran Poster
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Re: What is Joe worth?
Except it was just shown that rankings are for the winners (of the SB).
And check Alex Smith's rating. Rating measures efficiency, not just raw output. Which is why Joe's 2010 year was a good one.
If Joe were on a worse team, WC offense or not he would have less wins, then you would have to choose another cliche. As for his stats in that case, who knows? Being asked to do more doesn't always help your rating, even if it might help your yards and TDs.
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11-30-2012, 07:13 PM #54Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: What is Joe worth?
The problem with your data is that it only illustrates a correlation, not a causation (and not even a particularly strong correlation once subject to actual statistical scrutiny.)
The implication that some may be drawing here is that high QB ratings cause Super Bowl wins. The data does not illustrate this, as it doesn't exclude the possibility that the inverse is possible--Super Bowl winning teams cause high QB ratings.
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Re: What is Joe worth?
Maybe. You'd be wasting his best skill, which is that strong arm.
Maybe if you modified it like Green Bay has, but he doesn't seem to have Rodgers's ability to run around and evade the pass rush. He's not a statue, but he's not the scrambler Rodgers is (or at least hasn't demonstrated it).
I don't have a problem with the Coryell as a base offense. The Chargers had prolific offenses with it even after Tomlinson left and Gates wasn't a dominant tight end anymore. This year is a down year, but it's not like the NFL has changed that much over the last five years. Cameron and company just need to upgrade to the Coryell 21st Century Edition....
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11-30-2012, 07:27 PM #56Veteran Poster
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11-30-2012, 07:42 PM #57Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: What is Joe worth?
Teams win rings.
What is top 5 money now won't be in the out years. I trust Ozzie will cut a deal with Joe that won't break the team and will keep him happily in the fold.
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11-30-2012, 09:06 PM #59Veteran Poster
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11-30-2012, 10:20 PM #60
Re: What is Joe worth?
I think he gets a 100 mil +, 5 year deal that puts him in the same company with some of the top QB's in the league. I hope it's in Baltimore, but I promise you he will get it somewhere. Joe may not be the flashy, pretty boy media darling, but he knows how to win games. He can look like shit for 50 minutes and still find a way to make that big play to win the game in the 4th qtr.
Joe played his ass off in the AFCC game last year, and did everything that a great QB does to win big games like that. He outplayed the great Tom Brady for 4 qtrs. If not for a dropped pass in the EZ and a missed kick, the Ravens may be current champions."I don't know a man on this Earth who can outwork me". Ray Lewis
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