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01-28-2013, 07:57 PM #25Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I get what you're saying but I'm not sure the Cary situation is comparable. They offered him a deal and told him take it or leave it; he left it. The same isn't true for Flacco... they were engaged in serious contract talks and there are indications that they were close to a deal at one point late last summer.
I'm not saying a deal definitely would have happened if they pushed harder... we don't know enough to conclude that. But Ozzie's MO over the last few years has been to not pursue extensions before a player's walk year. He broke that mold with Webb and I'd like to see that happen more often.
Don't buy the argument about holdouts. They're a bad idea--which is why they're pretty rare. They're especially rare for quarterbacks. And I don't think NFL GMs worry all that much about structuring contracts in anticipation of avoiding holdouts.
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01-28-2013, 07:58 PM #26
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Joe is gonna get paid. If he has a good SB (win or lose), he has even more bargaining power. IMO the FO is pretty much convinced that Joe is their franchise QB and are going to pay him. They are on the weak side of the bargaining table with this one.
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I wonder if this is the same "source" that said Rice wanted AP type money last offseason.
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
The Cary Williams situation is comparable to most position players, which, going forward are going to be the people that are up for early extensions. I don't think the Webb deal is any different; intrinsicly, I'm sure he had a "take it or leave it" deal as well. He just took his.
And the Webb deal is actually a good example of the dangers of early extensions. Now, we all hope and expect him to come back stronger than ever from his ACL injury. But what if he doesn't? What if his ACL injury hampers him in the same way the Foxworth or dozens of other players haven't recovered fully from ACL injuries? Injuries can happen any time but instead of waiting out his 4 year rookie contract, the Ravens may be faced with paying a guy 55 mil who can't play.
The fact is that sometimes 1-2 years is enough to determine if a guy is going to be a good player in the future but a lot of times it simply isn't.
And most times players are going to get more money on the open market so a lot of guys, like Cary Williams, are willing to wait it out and get the fat payday. Like I said, it's a two way street. That's why the players fought so hard in 1990 for free agency, it's why the sacrificed game checks in their player strike to get free agency. They want to get that big pay day and that only comes when you have competition for your services.
Has Ozzie's contract strategy led to the Ravens NOT being able to sign any of their key targets?
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01-28-2013, 08:24 PM #29
I was upset when Suggs, Lewis and Scott all hit the market in the same offseason, but that has payed off well with Scott's career going downhill of late. Other than that, the only move I really questioned was not locking up Yanda and Ngata during the uncapped year, though as we saw with the Cowboys and Redskins the FO may have had legit reasons to avoid that.
With Cary Williams I can see his argument for holding out for free agency -- he's a role player here but could be paid like a star elsewhere. With Flacco the team is going to be built around him -- why would you want $20 mill per year to go 5-11 in Jacksonville?
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
The only logical answer is to trade Joe to Cincinnati and let Mike Brown spend some of that money he has been holding onto for decades.
(I say this in jest, friends) I would love to see Flacco airing it out to AJ Green though.
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01-28-2013, 08:37 PM #31Legendary RSR Poster
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01-28-2013, 08:40 PM #32
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
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01-28-2013, 08:52 PM #34
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
"I don't know a man on this Earth who can outwork me". Ray Lewis
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01-28-2013, 08:54 PM #35
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Ozzie's $4 million/year mistake will cost a number of decent players.
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01-28-2013, 08:59 PM #36
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
"I don't know a man on this Earth who can outwork me". Ray Lewis
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