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02-25-2020, 02:29 PM #73
Re: Bartsool: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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02-25-2020, 02:58 PM #76
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
"Cause if you ain’t pissed off for greatness, that just means you’re okay with being mediocre, and ain’t no man in here okay with just basic.”
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Twitter: @ColeJacksonFB
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02-25-2020, 03:04 PM #78
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
"Cause if you ain’t pissed off for greatness, that just means you’re okay with being mediocre, and ain’t no man in here okay with just basic.”
- Ray Lewis
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Twitter: @ColeJacksonFB
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02-25-2020, 03:05 PM #79Veteran Poster
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Re: Bartsool: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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02-25-2020, 03:11 PM #80
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
Barstool Sports breaking news and TMZ breaking Kobe's death. WTF is this world coming to,.
"Cause if you ain’t pissed off for greatness, that just means you’re okay with being mediocre, and ain’t no man in here okay with just basic.”
- Ray Lewis
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Twitter: @ColeJacksonFB
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Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
The bigger play -- and maybe the only kind worth it for us to go into the season with no legit backup to Andrews -- would be if we got a mid round 2 (worth approx. 400 pts on the trade chart) for HH.
We could trade that along with pick #28 to get to the 11-13 range in the event a guy like Kinlaw drops out of the top 10.
In that kind of scenario, I could see the move. The gain would be obvious. The downside would be the passing game getting seriously impacted every time Andrews isn't 100%.
Naturally some team has to accept those terms. It isn't certain anyone would give us a mid-2 for HH, nor is it certain anybody sitting at picks 11-13 would want to drop back to 28, not take Kinlaw (or whoever) but pickup a mid round second. We likely would have to sweeten the pot with a 3rd or something. But the values involved would fit, per the trade chart anyway.
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02-25-2020, 03:28 PM #82Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
This seems fair. That would be roughly the equivalent of pick 53, assuming my mental math isn't off lol. I would think a mid/late 2nd rounder is about the value where the intersection of what's fair to another team, and what's worth it for us to move a talented player, meet.
It's important to remember that, as our third TE, he is replaceable. It's also important to remember that he is a talented player, and a former first rounder that hasn't done anything to suggest he won't be able to produce if given opportunities. Lastly, it's important to remember that FA, & apparently even the draft, are weak at TE this year. All in all, I think you're on the money with the value we should expect.
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02-25-2020, 03:29 PM #83
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02-25-2020, 03:59 PM #84Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
Not much in gross numbers, but Hurst converted more yards on less targets than Boyle. Much higher DVOA, from which I infer more first downs and stuff. Eyeball test confirms Boyle is a plodding pass-catcher and Hurst is more viable downfield.
I think the thing with Hurst, that makes him difficult to place, is that while he's the best all-around player of our TEs, he's not the best at any one thing. He's our second-best blocking TE; Boyle is clearly better. Andrews has made more of a case for himself as a pass-catcher; it's not clear to me that Andrews really is a better receiver, but he did establish himself while Hurst was injured in 2018.
It's weird: if we were in a lot of single-TE formations, then Hurst's versatility would be more valuable. Trotting him out there would tip our hand less to the D, than the other guys. But with 2 TEs on the field almost all the time, if one of them is the blocker and one of them the mover, you can see how Hurst could get leapfrogged. There's a guy better or more established than him in both roles.
Strange situation.
The foot injury in '18 really set him back.
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