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Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?
I didn't say there was any shame in it...however in this day and age of UFA and Salary Cap, you are setting yourself up for disappointment when the players leave. These players are out for themselves. I don't blame them, and I don't blame the teams for cutting guys that can't do for their salaries. It's a business for the teams and the players...not the utopia of family.
I love both Ray's and what they've done for the team, but I am not big on harming the team longterm for any player. The train moves on...but it won't if you keep holding onto guys over sentimental reasons.
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04-04-2012, 11:56 AM #63Veteran Poster
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Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?
I don't expect him to give the Ravens a discount. I even said that I understood it was a business. I do sour on players who want significantly more than market value. Market value of a RB of his caliber is in the Arian Foster range. I know nothing is considered fact but what has been rumored is that he wants in the AP neighborhood and not in the Foster neighborhood. What he has played for under his rookie contract has no bearings on what he should be paid moving forward. He did not take a discount to play in Bmore. He signed a rookie contract like every other player.
I would not blame him for not attending OTAs. I would sour if he wants to significantly more than market value and held out of TC. I would also sour a bit with the front office if they were low balling him.
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04-04-2012, 12:47 PM #65
Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?
I don't know why people here think Ray Rice was giving the Ravens a discount when he was playing under a rookie contract, and comparing that to the veteran contracts that his backup and FB were playing under. If you have a problem with rookies and vets being paid on different scales, then that's a beef you have with the CBA, the NFL, and the NFLPA for the labor agreement they hammered out.
Ray Rice deserves to be paid something similar to what Arian Foster got.
So if - and I stress if - the Ravens have offered him that, and if Rice has spurned the offer, an offer I think is fair, then count me in with the fans who will begin to sour on Ray.
I want to see Rice be paid fairly. Foster money is fair. More than that is greedy and bad for the team.
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04-04-2012, 03:36 PM #66Hall Of Fame Poster
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The front office should give you a look. Your post in this thread are how it should be.
Rice is the big team guy, I'm sure the Ravens gave him a more then fair offer and he won't take it. So therefore he is holding the team in a salary cap bind until he realizes that he is getting what he's worth and not any more.
BTW - I think Ed Reed should take a pay cut. He's not worth his cap number he has now, anymore.
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Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?
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04-04-2012, 05:20 PM #68Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?
If Rice holds out, next, man up!Rice did well against most teams, but had problems against the teams we needed to beat.Can't claim to be all that when he couldn't make a big difference in the pats game. Pick up those first downs when it mattered the most and the Ravens go to the SB the last several years.
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04-05-2012, 11:06 AM #69Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?
I do not think whatsoever he skips games. The ravens hold all the cards here and he said if he had to he would play under the tag. When he holds out (notice I said when) I believe it will be until the end of camp. But there is no need to get a deal done now as they have till july 15. Look at Suggs when was his deal done, around july 15 of that year. My gut says they agree to a deal around the july 15 deadline. I also belive Flacco gets done before then. Webb Should be done most likely during the season or right before.
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04-06-2012, 08:49 AM #70On The Practice Squad
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Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?
Everyone keeps saying the Ravens offered Rice a deal similar to Foster's. Arnie_uk suggested it may have been this guy (thanks Arnie) but I can't find any reference to that. I've seen him say that the Foster deal "could be a good comparison for Rice negotiations", but not that the Ravens actually offered him that.
Ray Rice deserves at least what Foster got, and he cannot risk getting hurt while playing under the tag. He may play this year under it but I would be shocked if he played next year under it.
If the Ravens did offer him Foster money that's one thing, but if they didn't than they are low balling him and he has every right to do what's best for himself and his family. I think he knows that the Ravens are a billion dollar enterprise, and he has already played for way less than he's worth. Hell he could have pulled a Chris Johnson and demanded more money last year but he played out his contract and now he deserves to get paid.
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04-06-2012, 08:57 AM #71Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Does anyone think Ray Rice could hold out?
Many have noted on here that replicating Rice's production in this offense will not be as difficult as some think it will.
I'm not advocating that replacing Rice is the best thing to do as he is a massive portion of this offense and the team (nearly 1/3rd of the offensive production went through Rice the past two seasons), but ultimately the success of this offense hinges on Joe Flacco.
It is reasonable to think that with a better offensive line and better receivers, Double-A or even a rookie RB could provide enough of a running game to make the offense as productive.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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