Either he's a RB or a QB. It can't be both.

[Dale]

I understand the abilities of Lamar and him wanting so badly to win that game against the Chiefs. What is being missed is the big picture.

This team changed 3/5 of their OL in order to become more pass friendly, to have a better run/pass balance. It may be to soon but this OL is not working.

They have shown that there are struggles not only in pass blocking but more importantly run blocking. Running has always been the fall back. Not now.

This was supposed to be the second year of the Monken experiment, growing the offense and the growth of Lamar. Now things appear to be stalled because of the OL.

Instead of growing and progressing, things have stalled and maybe even taken a step back. Maybe this is what Harbaugh wanted all along. Put Faalele in at RG? Questionable move.

If we were supposed to get younger and more mobile on the OL to expand and grow the offense then why wasn't there more emphasis put on the OL in the off season.

Everything that was done in the off season contradicts the ideal of us growing this offense. We add the King and add 2 OGs that are better at run than pass blocking.

It creates the dilemma we have now. Jackson running more than necessary and the King being misused. The OL not being as good at either run or pass blocking currently.

None of us are going to be pleased with the product on the field for awhile. We will sink or swim with the progress of this OL. Right now we are struggling to keep our head above water.

The only means for success are to run, RPOs, using 12 personnel, and the short passing game. Hopefully the OL improves this season. If not we'll be in the same boat next season.

[The Excellector]

Does fatigue affect play? Of course it does. But, being great isn’t easy. Lamar isn’t the first dual threat QB. I don’t think QB fatigue excuses missed/inaccurate throws.

The highest rated EPA plays have been read-option designed QB runs.

One of my gripes with this offense is that it doesn’t place much emphasis on these concepts. Read-option is great because it allows for play-action and rpo concepts. Play-action has always been and remains very effective in the passing game. Lamar scrambling is great. QB scrambles have been the 2nd highest EPA play. But, you can’t play-action and rpo from a scramble like you can with read-option. Also, read-option run afford the QB a better opportunity to avoid head on collisions with dbs/lbs.

I actually agree with you IF you are saying Lamar chose to run too often last game. Because keep in mind those scramble runs were by choice not by design. Sometimes those runs were at the expense of good pass protection and receivers that were breaking open. It doesn’t seem fair to fault the coaching or the organization for a QB choosing to run 10 times. Your statement then should be directed at Lamar.

Your lower body mechanics are very important to your overall accuracy. When you run 10+ times for over 100 yards, you end up with heavy legs and foggy mind, late in games. There is no one whose been asked to run as much as Lamar whose been more accurate.

[Valhain]

Your lower body mechanics are very important to your overall accuracy. When you run 10+ times for over 100 yards, you end up with heavy legs and foggy mind, late in games. There is no one whose been asked to run as much as Lamar whose been more accurate.

I dare you to show me Lamar being more accurate with his deep ball in the first Qtr compared to late in the game after 10 runs and 100 yards.
You keep making things up.

[one eyed bird]

He is more RB , take away his run game ablitiesand he is a bottom 3rd QB we have seen that time and time again when teams crowd the box and keep him in the pocket he is toast.

[RavenXbio]

He is more RB , take away his run game ablitiesand he is a bottom 3rd QB we have seen that time and time again when teams crowd the box and keep him in the pocket he is toast.

I’d have a lot to say but you really aren’t worth it ever. You always say the dumbest shit with the least intelligent response lmao.

[balbomb]

I don’t think he’s a starting nfl qb if he was an average or below runner. So he’s not the only one that thinks that.

[ThankyouArt!]

I don’t think he’s a starting nfl qb if he was an average or below runner. So he’s not the only one that thinks that.

Of course, he's shown mid NFL level ability in the passing game at best. He struggles on the deep ball.......has zero to do with fatigue. We've seen that over his entire career. Lamar Jackson has become the player he is because of his ability to run.......period. We have a big enough sample size to know what type of player Lamar is. Even in the passing game you have to credit his running ability to some degree because of his ability to scramble and get free/open to pass. His legs is what got him here. It's what earned him the Heisman, it earned him a first round pick.......barely. It's what earned him his MVP awards.

This is who Jackson is, to not take advantage of this ability is a complete mistake.

[ThankyouArt!]

Your lower body mechanics are very important to your overall accuracy. When you run 10+ times for over 100 yards, you end up with heavy legs and foggy mind, late in games. There is no one whose been asked to run as much as Lamar whose been more accurate.

Lamar is one of one. Stop trying to make some type of comparison when there is none. Have you ever played football? Played sports? Surely not at a world class level. How can you make such a statement? Foggy mind? We've seen players get stronger over the course of a game. Over the course of a game you become more focused, your vision becomes more narrow, you get more in to the flow of the game, you become more aware of your opponents strengths and weaknesses. Are you more fatigued? Yes, but so is your opponent. What your doing is trying to make excuses with little knowledge.

[purple_city39]

Lamar is one of one. Stop trying to make some type of comparison when there is none. Have you ever played football? Played sports? Surely not at a world class level. How can you make such a statement? Foggy mind? We've seen players get stronger over the course of a game. Over the course of a game you become more focused, your vision becomes more narrow, you get more in to the flow of the game, you become more aware of your opponents strengths and weaknesses. Are you more fatigued? Yes, but so is your opponent. What your doing is trying to make excuses with little knowledge.

Not a good comparison. The only "players" people talk about getting stronger over the course of a game are RBs, and even then it's more because the defense is more worn out as the game goes on than the RB. Both can start the game at 100% but by the 4th quarter, the RB could be at 70% while the defense is at 45%, for example.

We just watched Chria Jones dominate pretty much every o-lineman for 3 quarters. Then in the 4th quarter, he's getting stone walled back to back by Justice Hill, who's about 130 pounds ligher than him. Why? Because Jones was extremely worn out from a heavy workload while Hill was much fresher.

I promise y'all don't have to argue with Ex just to do it. The best RBs, actual RBs, come out of games each week to catch their breath and rest for while. Your QB, who just ran as much as many of them do, has to stay on the field and doesn't get the breather so why wouldn't he be more fatigued than the average player?

[ShadeRaven]

Fatigue = brain and body are less efficient. This is basic science.

You think, decide, and execute worse when fatigued than not.





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[Mmcclend]

Fatigue = brain and body are less efficient. This is basic science.

You think, decide, and execute worse when fatigued than not.





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I’m not sure how this is even a debate.

[ShadeRaven]

Physical and cognitive consequences of fatigue: A review
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4522584/

In summary, muscle fatigue causes decrease in muscle activation pattern, which in turn affects the joint sense of position leading to disturbed balance and an increase in the risks of falls. Furthermore, fatigue appears to have an effect on cognitive functions, regardless of the controversy found by research, it can be safely said that a relation does exist between the intensity and duration of physical activity and the cognitive function.