Gruesome Crime Warrants Death Penalty

[2bynight]

Sometimes you read a story that tears your heart out and makes you question humanity - or the lack of it: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/28/us/ph...cec/index.html This bitch, if guilty, should fry. Or injected as the case may be.

[ThankyouArt!]

Sometimes you read a story that tears your heart out and makes you question humanity - or the lack of it: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/28/us/ph...cec/index.html This bitch, if guilty, should fry. Or injected as the case may be.

The irony of you posting this, is just dripping from the pages in front of me. Your for abortion but this crime tears your heart out? In Minnesota the only difference between these two precious babies and someone allowed to abort a baby up to due date is minuscule. These babies are outside the womb and the other is not. This woman is going to get the death penalty but a woman who chooses to kill her baby in Minnesota is heralded and said she is exercising her right to "body autonomy"........her body.......her right.

You don't see the juxtaposition in this? Yell me what's the difference other then the murderer isn't the mother in this case. That's the difference? The mother should be allowed to decided who lives and who dies?

[2bynight]

The irony of you posting this, is just dripping from the pages in front of me. Your for abortion but this crime tears your heart out? In Minnesota the only difference between these two precious babies and someone allowed to abort a baby up to due date is minuscule. These babies are outside the womb and the other is not. This woman is going to get the death penalty but a woman who chooses to kill her baby in Minnesota is heralded and said she is exercising her right to "body autonomy"........her body.......her right.

You don't see the juxtaposition in this? Yell me what's the difference other then the murderer isn't the mother in this case. That's the difference? The mother should be allowed to decided who lives and who dies?

You are off-topic and hijacking my post to create another argument. I won't go there.

[ThankyouArt!]

You are off-topic and hijacking my post to create another argument. I won't go there.

Of course you won't. I noticed the thread is of extreme interest to the posters. Wouldn't want to hijack a thread that has only one single post. I called you out on another post and you totally ghosted it. Which is fine......that's your right. But when you post this with a clear case of hypocrisy.........I am not letting that slip by without comment. You're obviously dodging the subject........because you have zero argument.

As far as this post is concerned it's absolutely relevant, it's relevant to everyone for the same reasons I mentioned. Yes, it's absolutely 100% horrible what happened to these two babies. The woman involved is going to be charged with capitol murder and under the penalty of death........which is not only warranted but the correct punishment. In this case death is the ONLY rightful sentence. This babies life was taken away, it's life shortened......it's liberty and the babies right to pursue happiness was taken away at an incredibly young age.

Not only to you.......but to everyone else......what's the difference between this baby that was killed and a baby who was aborted in the ninth month of pregnancy? You say that doesn't happen? Oh but it does.......check the laws in Minnesota. Abortions are allowed up till the due day. The Harris VP Tim Walz signed the bill in to law. Other states have SIMILAR legislation of varying degrees.

Again, what's the difference? One is outside the womb......one is inside. Geography......that's the difference.

Oh I know, now the argument is in how many weeks is "acceptable". 6 weeks ( month & 1/2)? 12 weeks ( 3 months)? What makes it different? better? acceptable? They all have a heart beat, they all can feel pain, they all can hear their mothers voice.

Yeah, 2bynight, we all care about these two beautiful babies.......but that's where it starts and ends. We couldn't care less about them when they are in the womb. Only when we can hold them.

[ThankyouArt!]

Children are a big deal to me, I coached sports most of my adult life. I have seen the horrors some children endure first hand. I have actually called authorities to intervene in a child's situation. Children for me is a "calling". Some people go bonkers over animals......Dog rescues......cat rescues........horse rescues etc. My calling is children. They are the true innocent victims of the world. They can't fight back, they can't save themselves. Even animals sometimes can fend for themselves. They can become feral......they can survive............ children can not.

I feel terrible for these two babies, however everyday hundreds......if not thousands of babies are killed. We just don't get to see their pictures. They are all important to me.

No, I am not one of those people who show up and pray outside of an abortion clinic. I don't parade my opinions.........but when the situation presents itself like this post and the other......I take advantage of the moment. My intention is to give EVERYONE something to think about. That's all.......

[2bynight]

Children are a big deal to me, I coached sports most of my adult life. I have seen the horrors some children endure first hand. I have actually called authorities to intervene in a child's situation. Children for me is a "calling". Some people go bonkers over animals......Dog rescues......cat rescues........horse rescues etc. My calling is children. They are the true innocent victims of the world. They can't fight back, they can't save themselves. Even animals sometimes can fend for themselves. They can become feral......they can survive............ children can not.

I feel terrible for these two babies, however everyday hundreds......if not thousands of babies are killed. We just don't get to see their pictures. They are all important to me.

No, I am not one of those people who show up and pray outside of an abortion clinic. I don't parade my opinions.........but when the situation presents itself like this post and the other......I take advantage of the moment. My intention is to give EVERYONE something to think about. That's all.......

Believe it or not I get the pro life argument. I do. Obviously 9 months is wrong. But the fetus is not viable at a certain point. There are 13 year olds raped and impregnated by their father - should they be forced to carry a baby to term if it can be aborted at 13 weeks? There are many shades here. As far as ghosting you I have been on a medical merry go round dealing with some significant issues. I will be having more tests over the next few weeks. Never assume why a poster is not responding back.


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[jonboy79]

Believe it or not I get the pro life argument. I do. Obviously 9 months is wrong. But the fetus is not viable at a certain point. There are 13 year olds raped and impregnated by their father - should they be forced to carry a baby to term if it can be aborted at 13 weeks? There are many shades here. As far as ghosting you I have been on a medical merry go round dealing with some significant issues. I will be having more tests over the next few weeks. Never assume why a poster is not responding back.


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I think the bulk of the population can be found in the shades of gray, yet our politicians paint us in to one of two extreme camps- not even allowing birth control, or absolutely no restrictions on pre-birth abortions.

Europe is much more realistic where most countries fall between 12-16 weeks for “convenience” abortions and longer windows when fetus viability or maternal health are concerned.

I for one fall into the camp where we should copy that from Europe.


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[ThankyouArt!]

Believe it or not I get the pro life argument. I do. Obviously 9 months is wrong. But the fetus is not viable at a certain point. There are 13 year olds raped and impregnated by their father - should they be forced to carry a baby to term if it can be aborted at 13 weeks? There are many shades here. As far as ghosting you I have been on a medical merry go round dealing with some significant issues. I will be having more tests over the next few weeks. Never assume why a poster is not responding back.


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I never assume anything....
As far as the 13 yr old is concerned IF you would have read my post from the other thread I said I wasn't 100% against abortions. I would never want to be someone who would force a woman to carry a child that was conceived through rape. Same goes with the well being of the mother's health. As for the rape, it shouldn't go 13 weeks. Any person that rapes another should immediately be locked up so they don't have a chance to rape again. A victim could simply take a morning after pill. They are extremely effective. I understand it's a difficult situation. It's a difficult situation for a baby to be ripped to shreds.....piece by piece.

[ThankyouArt!]

I think the bulk of the population can be found in the shades of gray, yet our politicians paint us in to one of two extreme camps- not even allowing birth control, or absolutely no restrictions on pre-birth abortions.

Europe is much more realistic where most countries fall between 12-16 weeks for “convenience” abortions and longer windows when fetus viability or maternal health are concerned.

I for one fall into the camp where we should copy that from Europe.


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I believe in all forms of birth control.......I understand this is a difficult issue. The older I get the more staunch I stand in my beliefs. I realize I could be 100% wrong. However I also believe that the abortion issue and how we handle it will be looked upon as barbaric in a fifty or a hundred years. Just as we have done with other issues. Only time will tell.

[Greg]

I think the bulk of the population can be found in the shades of gray, yet our politicians paint us in to one of two extreme camps- not even allowing birth control, or absolutely no restrictions on pre-birth abortions.

Europe is much more realistic where most countries fall between 12-16 weeks for “convenience” abortions and longer windows when fetus viability or maternal health are concerned.

I for one fall into the camp where we should copy that from Europe.


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As someone whose position is the extreme in one camp right now this is not true. The Republican platform, and Trump's own position is the 14 week area that you note is most of Europe.

I believe a human being begins to exist when the DNA forms but I also know that is an extreme position, at least right now. I will continue to advocate my extreme position because government's first job is to protect innocent life.

That all said, 2by bringing up a father raping his daughter is reductio ad absurdum. Requiring this kind of pregnancy to be carried out is a far more extreme position. I know, because I hold it. However, I can see where that can be an exception, as well as life of the mother and non-familial rape. The life of the mother carrying out a child from rape could be difficult for her that will last a lifetime. I would encourage her to carry and then adopt the child out, but making that a legal thing I am not so strong on.

In any case, if I could write the laws I would hold the abortion provider/performer a LOT more liable than the desperate woman (who likely isn't aware of the options like adoption because Planned Parenthood wants to kill the babies, not find good homes of which there are very many).

Finally, if you don't want to get pregnant, there is an easy way to stop it. Self control.

[ThankyouArt!]

As someone whose position is the extreme in one camp right now this is not true. The Republican platform, and Trump's own position is the 14 week area that you note is most of Europe.

I believe a human being begins to exist when the DNA forms but I also know that is an extreme position, at least right now. I will continue to advocate my extreme position because government's first job is to protect innocent life.

That all said, 2by bringing up a father raping his daughter is reductio ad absurdum. Requiring this kind of pregnancy to be carried out is a far more extreme position. I know, because I hold it. However, I can see where that can be an exception, as well as life of the mother and non-familial rape. The life of the mother carrying out a child from rape could be difficult for her that will last a lifetime. I would encourage her to carry and then adopt the child out, but making that a legal thing I am not so strong on.

In any case, if I could write the laws I would hold the abortion provider/performer a LOT more liable than the desperate woman (who likely isn't aware of the options like adoption because Planned Parenthood wants to kill the babies, not find good homes of which there are very many).

Finally, if you don't want to get pregnant, there is an easy way to stop it. Self control.

I understand most people's opinions on abortion.....yours is a little left of mine......but we're not to far apart. I absolutely hate any arbitrary time line. 14 weeks? What's the difference between 14 and 24 weeks? Yes, there is much more development in the fetus, but they still have a heartbeat.....they still can feel pain. They still have brain activity. It's a human being. Again, when is that baby afforded the Constitutional protection that we all have? Again, if it's not a human....then why is it if I kill a pregnant woman I get charged with two counts of homicide? I know it's a somewhat rhetorical question......"that's just the way it is". In my opinion it's much like the transsexuals debate we have in America.....we all know that Leah Thomas is a dude and shouldn't compete against woman but we won't.....can't say it out loud. Same with abortion, most of us know it's infanticide but we won't or can't say it out loud. Same with illegal immigration Same with crime and young black men.

[Willbacker]

On the premise of this thread we have to let the process play out and if you are for the death penalty why stop on just a babies life? 1st degree murder is 1st degree murder.

e simple solution to this whole abortion mess is just for the mother to pay for the procedure. I'd go as far as make the father 75% responsible for the fee. Problem solved. Sorry its not a health matter. It was choice. Your body. Your choice