Aliens/UFOs/UAPs

[PGCountyRaven85]

If you’re into this topic a pretty interesting book was released today:

https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-wo...rial-k9556s7rc

Currently listening to the book on Spotify

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[Culex]

Good thread. This always is an interesting topic

[wickedsolo]

It is an interesting topic, but I am always skeptical of guys that still have "high security clearances", but are out there talking about these kinds of things.

If it was a huge secret, why would the government continue to maintain this guy's clearance and provide him access to sensitive information? It just doesn't make sense.

I come from that world and that's a big no-no.

[CarrollCoRaven]

It is an interesting topic, but I am always skeptical of guys that still have "high security clearances", but are out there talking about these kinds of things.

If it was a huge secret, why would the government continue to maintain this guy's clearance and provide him access to sensitive information? It just doesn't make sense.

I come from that world and that's a big no-no.

Don't people like Clapper and Brenan still have their clearances? If so, why?

[steelerhater]

Don't people like Clapper and Brenan still have their clearances? If so, why?

Yea, those clowns should be in prison and not holding any security clearances.

[PGCountyRaven85]

It is an interesting topic, but I am always skeptical of guys that still have "high security clearances", but are out there talking about these kinds of things.

If it was a huge secret, why would the government continue to maintain this guy's clearance and provide him access to sensitive information? It just doesn't make sense.

I come from that world and that's a big no-no.

People are saying that allowing this information to be published represents a form of soft disclosure. The content of the book had to go through Department of Defense review before publishing - so they are allowing him to make the information that they want known to be known without saying it themselves. And in any of the information that they don’t want known such as sources and methods for collection of this information, they’re able to keep close to the vest, not really taking a position at all. And a lot of the information that I’m hearing about so far in the audiobook we all know about like Roswell, Rendlesham Forrest, etc. He’s just saying these are things that were said to be hoaxes and such, that he found from his investigations to be real.


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[Forgettable1]

I recall years ago seeing George Knapp talk about his interviews with Bob Lazar. Knapp taught me a lesson. Test credibility not by asking about the central claim, but by asking about the incidentals. "So, you say you saw alien craft while working at Area 51. What color are stalls in the men's room at Area 51? Is there a candy machine in the cafeteria? What color are the food trays in the cafeteria." I suppose police do the same thing when probing an alibi. "You were at the movies? What were the Previews? Did the projector have a problem? When did people laugh the loudest? Did you buy popcorn? Was the clerk a man or woman?" Etc.

The other thing I learned from watching Sightings and Unsolved Mysteries: look around the conspiracy. For instance, some say James Forrestal's "suicide" was murder related to Roswell disclosure. Murder or not, for me the lesson was whether the "depression" that put him in the hospital was a condition triggered by the stress of the conspiracy. So, of the people listed in the MJ-12 documents, whose worldview was so affected by alien life that they started going to church, or that that they stopped going to church? Who got arrested for drunk and disorderly the weekend they learned about it? Does a relative's diary reveal that Uncle Detlev Bronk made sudden and unexpected gifts of his beloved gold watch and silver cigarette case?

Alien intelligence or not, the conspiracies offer lessons for better thinking.

[wickedsolo]

Don't people like Clapper and Brenan still have their clearances? If so, why?

They're part of the establishment and, I guess, sometimes act as consultants or advisors?

I don't agree with it though.

[PGCountyRaven85]

I recall years ago seeing George Knapp talk about his interviews with Bob Lazar. Knapp taught me a lesson. Test credibility not by asking about the central claim, but by asking about the incidentals. "So, you say you saw alien craft while working at Area 51. What color are stalls in the men's room at Area 51? Is there a candy machine in the cafeteria? What color are the food trays in the cafeteria." I suppose police do the same thing when probing an alibi. "You were at the movies? What were the Previews? Did the projector have a problem? When did people laugh the loudest? Did you buy popcorn? Was the clerk a man or woman?" Etc.

The other thing I learned from watching Sightings and Unsolved Mysteries: look around the conspiracy. For instance, some say James Forrestal's "suicide" was murder related to Roswell disclosure. Murder or not, for me the lesson was whether the "depression" that put him in the hospital was a condition triggered by the stress of the conspiracy. So, of the people listed in the MJ-12 documents, whose worldview was so affected by alien life that they started going to church, or that that they stopped going to church? Who got arrested for drunk and disorderly the weekend they learned about it? Does a relative's diary reveal that Uncle Detlev Bronk made sudden and unexpected gifts of his beloved gold watch and silver cigarette case?

Alien intelligence or not, the conspiracies offer lessons for better thinking.

Very good post. I used to love Unsolved Mysteries, Sightings, and several of those History Channel shows about UFO conspiracies. That Project Bluebook series was really good.


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[Captain Silver]

I saw something weird once driving through New Mexico/Arizona, don’t remember it was a night drive, but a little dot of light was above my car, I mean miles, it wasn’t a star. because it moved with me. Then it flashed like a bright light and it was gone.

Not saying what it was, but there is strange stuff out there.

[Terpsfan82]

I recall years ago seeing George Knapp talk about his interviews with Bob Lazar. Knapp taught me a lesson. Test credibility not by asking about the central claim, but by asking about the incidentals. "So, you say you saw alien craft while working at Area 51. What color are stalls in the men's room at Area 51? Is there a candy machine in the cafeteria? What color are the food trays in the cafeteria." I suppose police do the same thing when probing an alibi. "You were at the movies? What were the Previews? Did the projector have a problem? When did people laugh the loudest? Did you buy popcorn? Was the clerk a man or woman?" Etc.

The other thing I learned from watching Sightings and Unsolved Mysteries: look around the conspiracy. For instance, some say James Forrestal's "suicide" was murder related to Roswell disclosure. Murder or not, for me the lesson was whether the "depression" that put him in the hospital was a condition triggered by the stress of the conspiracy. So, of the people listed in the MJ-12 documents, whose worldview was so affected by alien life that they started going to church, or that that they stopped going to church? Who got arrested for drunk and disorderly the weekend they learned about it? Does a relative's diary reveal that Uncle Detlev Bronk made sudden and unexpected gifts of his beloved gold watch and silver cigarette case?

Alien intelligence or not, the conspiracies offer lessons for better thinking.

Wiliam Cooper outlined what happened to Forestal in "Behold A Pale Horse". Great book.

[Culex]

I saw something weird once driving through New Mexico/Arizona, don’t remember it was a night drive, but a little dot of light was above my car, I mean miles, it wasn’t a star. because it moved with me. Then it flashed like a bright light and it was gone.

Not saying what it was, but there is strange stuff out there.

It was probably BC sister in law