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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    Quote Originally Posted by Mmcclend View Post
    Weird, didnít he have like 13 sacks in the past 2 seasons? This guy isnít Oweh.
    Have you watched his highlights ?

    Alot of his sacks are just poor offensive protection.

    He does not look very strong in my opinion. Some tackles just eat him up.

    He does not have many moves that I saw. He just straight bull rushes

    Does not look like he would be good in coverage at all, very stiff looking on change of direction





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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    decosta said Issac was a scouts Red star player.


    That means he was the highest scouted player for that particular scout. That is very strange considering this scout who must be in the mid atlantic area, there is a shit ton of awesome talent this year from this area.


    I just am not seeing it unless it is character based only.





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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    Quote Originally Posted by ravensfan55 View Post
    Hope you guys are right but the first grade and opinion I found online makes this guy sound like Oweh.

    "Team Fit: Baltimore continues to collect athletic bodies who log pressures but not sacks. A flier on Adisa Isaac makes sense, given their need for an edge player, but it solves little unless he starts finishing plays more often.

    Grade: C-"
    It's lazy analysis. BRfan96, WNC, myself and several others watched games and games of Isaac. He is in no what Oweh. Oweh was a finesse pass rusher who was all speed and no moves. All athleticism. Isaac actually doesn't have that level of athleticism, but is more well rounded, a better finisher. Better against the run. Better dropping off. Oweh was the better athlete. Isaac is the better football player. His ceiling is probably a 3-Dimensional Edge guy who gives you 7-10 sacks a season and his floor is higher.
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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    Quote Originally Posted by rook View Post
    So we're gonna get Paul Kruger'd again!
    his NFL comp is Chase Winovich

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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State






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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    It's lazy analysis. BRfan96, WNC, myself and several others watched games and games of Isaac. He is in no what Oweh. Oweh was a finesse pass rusher who was all speed and no moves. All athleticism. Isaac actually doesn't have that level of athleticism, but is more well rounded, a better finisher. Better against the run. Better dropping off. Oweh was the better athlete. Isaac is the better football player. His ceiling is probably a 3-Dimensional Edge guy who gives you 7-10 sacks a season and his floor is higher.
    Chop Robinson reminded me a lot of Oweh. Isaac is the guy who does clean up after the more athletic Oweh and Robinson whiff. I don't see him at a 7-10 sack guy but I do think Isaac could be a 5 sack guy. It's a real bad year for edge rushers and Isaac is one of the best of the group. He's an older high character guy who they hope they can develop over time. I'm not expecting that much but in general who does from a late 3rd round pass rusher?





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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    his NFL comp is Chase Winovich
    That's a very good comp from what I've seen. They are almost the same size and both went late in the 3rd. Both have Big 10 backgrounds since Winovich went to Michigan and Isaac went to Penn State. Winovich was also an older player as rookie and came in a 24, Isaac will be 23. Very good comp.





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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    Quote Originally Posted by ravensfan7716 View Post
    decosta said Issac was a scouts Red star player.


    That means he was the highest scouted player for that particular scout. That is very strange considering this scout who must be in the mid atlantic area, there is a shit ton of awesome talent this year from this area.


    I just am not seeing it unless it is character based only.
    That doesnt mean theyre the best player. It means they check all the boxes and most fit us and our culture. Theres been much later prospects that were still considered red star.





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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    That doesnt mean theyre the best player. It means they check all the boxes and most fit us and our culture. Theres been much later prospects that were still considered red star.
    Yes. Yamon Figurs was probably the most famous red star player because he was a DeCosta favorite and DeCosta loves to talk up his guys. Figurs was a 3rd round return specialist who would also be the gimmick WR, for end arounds and 3rd and long plays etc.... Unfortunately Figurs stunk and Jim Leonhard took his return job in year 2. I don't think he made it to year 3 with the Ravens. A bunch of teams tried him because Figurs had some unique skills but he never did much in the NFL.





  10. #34

    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    I understand going for the athletic freaks from time to time, although Iíd rather take them later in the draft.

    Getting the better pure football player who can immediately play snaps is the way to go in the early rounds. Interested to see how he fits in the system





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    Re: Welcome to Baltimore, Adisa Isaac, Edge, Penn State

    Regarding lazy analysis. Agreed. Although let's be honest that very, very few of these draft graders really know anything about the players they are grading, and they may only take sixty seconds to create a couple sentences of content before tweeting the next one. It should really be "shallow analysis" which is understandable. Or "myopic analysis which is more annoying but equally understandable. The worst kind of myopic grading is based on scanning team needs and deciding if said team need was filled. He's not Jared Verse and he's not going to be an instant starter. We get it. Doesn't mean there wasn't a lot of value at pick 93.

    Regarding Red Star. When a scout gives a player a red star it's entirely based on intangibles, including character...football IQ...passion...leadership...dedication. It's not about stats or forty times. What made Ozzie Newsome one of the best drafters in modern NFL history is not that he is a better talent evaluator. It's that he's a better people evaluator and instilled that into how this organization approaches the draft. It was actually the legendary Ravens scout Ron Marciniak, who passed four years ago, who coined the terms Red Star Player and "Play Like A Raven". It's now in the organization's DNA. Sometimes the red star player is exceptional, like Marshall Yanda. And sometimes the tangibles are not enough to make the intangibles worth it, like Kam Correa. Earning a red star is not at all reason enough to draft a player. But it's enough, if the player is already good enough, to make him great.

    Regarding sacks. I say it a lot, but fans are overly fixated on sacks. Not that they aren't important, but that they are not the only thing that matters. Matt Judon had huge college sack numbers and then become a better run stopper in the Ravens system. The sacks came later and with a new system. Courtney Upshaw was a more valuable player than fans gave him credit for and also happened to have trouble staying healthy. Isaac seems like he is athletic and versatile. I won't pretend to evaluate him in pass coverage. But I know third round picks can also be further developed. Being good at a lot of things but maybe not exceptional at one thing is no crime. And in fact versatility is characteristic this team seems to covet.
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