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  1. #49

    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Free speech does not mean freedom of consequences

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  2. #50

    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    imo the answer to the thread title is clearly no, they only support speech that they support.

    Quote Originally Posted by bandc View Post
    The problem is he lauded himself and his company on the level of free speech he allowed his employees, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY lambasting other publishing corporations like cnbc, cnn, nytimes, ect… for censoring what felt the truth was. That is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy.


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    Completely agree. Well within their rights but I hate them for it just as much I do the left when they do it.
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  3. #51

    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drain Bamage View Post
    imo the answer to the thread title is clearly no, they only support speech that they support.



    Completely agree. Well within their rights but I hate them for it just as much I do the left when they do it.
    Why would any publisher be obligated to platform a viewpoint that is contrary to the viewpoint the publisher wishes to advance?

    Doesn't this very site inquire or otherwise nudge Steelers/Browns/Bengals fans to stay away (because they are likely here to cause trouble and make the environment toxic for everyone else)? Is management here obligated to grant them access?

    If the business is a platform -- a park bench to stand on -- then the platform's function is to permit expression. The platform is neutral as to viewpoint. If a police officer lifts and tips the bench during your speech causing you to lose balance and end your speech early, then the platform has been undermined, the officer has abused his power, and you have been cheated of your rights.

    If the business is publisher, then his own free speech rights -- the property right in his thoughts -- include the ability to exclude other viewpoints. Publisher High Times magazine is not a free speech hypocrite for refusing to provide two inches on page twenty to Tim the Teetotaler. To conclude otherwise is to say High Times has had enough speech -- thank you very much. And who has the right or power to decide just how much speech is too much speech?

    If you're publisher, and if opinions are your stock in trade then publish and exclude.
    If you're a neutral platform, then everyone gets a fair turn.
    If you are publisher and claim to be Mr. Spock-like in your reporting of facts and news, then be prepared to be called a hypocrite when you censor the Romulans offering to report the terrifying new race encountered in the Delta Quadrant.
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    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable1 View Post
    Why would any publisher be obligated to platform a viewpoint that is contrary to the viewpoint the publisher wishes to advance?

    Doesn't this very site inquire or otherwise nudge Steelers/Browns/Bengals fans to stay away (because they are likely here to cause trouble and make the environment toxic for everyone else)? Is management here obligated to grant them access?

    If the business is a platform -- a park bench to stand on -- then the platform's function is to permit expression. The platform is neutral as to viewpoint. If a police officer lifts and tips the bench during your speech causing you to lose balance and end your speech early, then platform has been undermined, the officer has abused his power, and you have been cheated of your rights.

    If the business is publisher, then his own free speech rights -- the property right in his thoughts -- includes the ability to exclude other viewpoints. Publisher High Times magazine is not a free speech hypocrite for refusing to provide two inches on page twenty to Tim the Teetotaler. To conclude otherwise is to say High Times has had enough speech -- thank you very much. And who has the right or power to decide just how much speech is too much speech?

    If you're publisher, and if opinions are your stock in trade then publish and exclude.
    If you're a neutral platform, then everyone gets a fair turn.
    If you are publisher and claim to be Mr. Spock-like in your reporting of facts and news, then be prepared to be called a hypocrite when you censor the Romulans offering to report the terrifying new race encountered in the Delta Quadrant.
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  5. #53

    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable1 View Post
    Why would any publisher be obligated to platform a viewpoint that is contrary to the viewpoint the publisher wishes to advance?

    Doesn't this very site inquire or otherwise nudge Steelers/Browns/Bengals fans to stay away (because they are likely here to cause trouble and make the environment toxic for everyone else)? Is management here obligated to grant them access?

    If the business is a platform -- a park bench to stand on -- then the platform's function is to permit expression. The platform is neutral as to viewpoint. If a police officer lifts and tips the bench during your speech causing you to lose balance and end your speech early, then the platform has been undermined, the officer has abused his power, and you have been cheated of your rights.

    If the business is publisher, then his own free speech rights -- the property right in his thoughts -- include the ability to exclude other viewpoints. Publisher High Times magazine is not a free speech hypocrite for refusing to provide two inches on page twenty to Tim the Teetotaler. To conclude otherwise is to say High Times has had enough speech -- thank you very much. And who has the right or power to decide just how much speech is too much speech?

    If you're publisher, and if opinions are your stock in trade then publish and exclude.
    If you're a neutral platform, then everyone gets a fair turn.
    If you are publisher and claim to be Mr. Spock-like in your reporting of facts and news, then be prepared to be called a hypocrite when you censor the Romulans offering to report the terrifying new race encountered in the Delta Quadrant.
    No one’s platform is neutral. It doesn’t exist. The only neutral platforms in this country are literally the phone that you speak on to other people and standing outside in public preaching like a Hebrew Israelite. In any other arena, your speech is subject to censorship with no legal punishment.

    Ben can run his company however he wants. But because of his actions, we now see him for what he really is. A person who loves when facts don’t care about feelings…..except when it to Jews. And that’s ok lol


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  6. #54

    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable1 View Post
    Larry Flynt was a publisher. The Catholic Church is a publisher. Was Larry Flynt less of a First Amendment advocate because he wouldnÂ’t replace smutty centerfold pictures with an image of a crucified Christ? Since he's a publisher and First Amendment advocate he should have allowed it, right? The Catholic Church could co-opt Hustler Magazine and Flynt could do nothing about it lest he prove himself to be a hypocrite, right?

    You are noting the similarities in the definition of “publisher” but ignoring differences between the content and purposes of the publications.

    The organizations you mention publish for the purpose of informing their audience of the facts and truth. Thereby, the audience can form its own opinion.

    Shapiro publishes his opinion. How Shapiro interprets facts and expresses his opinions are the product. (The same goes for Owens, Walsh et Al).

    Shapiro claims to offer his own opinions and does just that.
    The New York Times claims to offer all the news that's fit to print, but then mischaracterizes facts and omits news.

    Shapiro gives what he promised: Shapiro approved commentators. The Times gives you less than it promised; it gives an incomplete set of facts reported and characterized in manner that leads you to a conclusion rather than permitting you to arrive at one of your own.
    You just wrote something that literally has nothing to do with what I said. You’re making no sense whatsoever. Has the Catholic Church ever said Pastors can say what they want on the pulpit? Have they ever said facts don’t care about feelings?


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    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThankyouArt! View Post
    Excellent post......
    Seconded. Excellent post.

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  8. #56

    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable1 View Post
    Why would any publisher be obligated to platform a viewpoint that is contrary to the viewpoint the publisher wishes to advance?

    Doesn't this very site inquire or otherwise nudge Steelers/Browns/Bengals fans to stay away (because they are likely here to cause trouble and make the environment toxic for everyone else)? Is management here obligated to grant them access?

    If the business is a platform -- a park bench to stand on -- then the platform's function is to permit expression. The platform is neutral as to viewpoint. If a police officer lifts and tips the bench during your speech causing you to lose balance and end your speech early, then the platform has been undermined, the officer has abused his power, and you have been cheated of your rights.

    If the business is publisher, then his own free speech rights -- the property right in his thoughts -- include the ability to exclude other viewpoints. Publisher High Times magazine is not a free speech hypocrite for refusing to provide two inches on page twenty to Tim the Teetotaler. To conclude otherwise is to say High Times has had enough speech -- thank you very much. And who has the right or power to decide just how much speech is too much speech?

    If you're publisher, and if opinions are your stock in trade then publish and exclude.
    If you're a neutral platform, then everyone gets a fair turn.
    If you are publisher and claim to be Mr. Spock-like in your reporting of facts and news, then be prepared to be called a hypocrite when you censor the Romulans offering to report the terrifying new race encountered in the Delta Quadrant.
    DW is definitely hypocritical. At least left sources don't screech out "muh free speech" in every other clip I remember seeing of them. DW shouldn't even mention free speech because that's not what they are promoting. Just stop saying it. If they truly were they would shut down opinions they don't like with facts of their own and it should be easy. Basically nobody with any sort of platform truly promotes free speech and that's a problem.

    Go ahead and promote your opinions all you want. Just don't tell me you're free speech because DW is not that.





  9. #57

    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drain Bamage View Post
    DW is definitely hypocritical. At least left sources don't screech out "muh free speech" in every other clip I remember seeing of them. DW shouldn't even mention free speech because that's not what they are promoting. Just stop saying it. If they truly were they would shut down opinions they don't like with facts of their own and it should be easy. Basically nobody with any sort of platform truly promotes free speech and that's a problem.

    Go ahead and promote your opinions all you want. Just don't tell me you're free speech because DW is not that.
    How is the Daily Wire not for free speech? As a professor, if I say my college sucks and people should avoid it, the administration cannot punish me because we are a publically funded university. As a chef, if I say the restaurant sucks and people should avoid it, the F&B director is going to escort me out quickly
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    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Owens was let go not because of a simple disagreement but over antisemitism. All the leftists on here screeching about see they aren’t for free speech are disengenuous. They will rail about racism and shutting people down who use ‘dog whistles’. Heck MSNBC wont even show trumps speech after winning primaries, but you are going to sit here and complain about dw not really supporting free speech (while also admitting they are doing nothing that violates free speech protections)? GTFO





  11. #59

    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    These kind of guys dont want Free Speech they want unchecked power.

    Like when Steven Crowder was holding male only bible studies for his employees then used that time to fondle their balls and exposed his own balls often. Steve Crowder was the king of conservative media until these came out.

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    Re: Does Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire Support Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by blah3 View Post
    Owens was let go not because of a simple disagreement but over antisemitism. All the leftists on here screeching about see they aren’t for free speech are disengenuous. They will rail about racism and shutting people down who use ‘dog whistles’. Heck MSNBC wont even show trumps speech after winning primaries, but you are going to sit here and complain about dw not really supporting free speech (while also admitting they are doing nothing that violates free speech protections)? GTFO
    How was she antisemitic?


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