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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    and how much of it is this guy?

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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Weve been through this so many times over the years. Weve been pretty successful at finding DCs. Id say theres a few on staff that could take over. one of the reasons for his success I think is how good our positional coaches actually are. Weaver, Orr, Smith and Hewitt. Honestly Weaver is in just as good position for a HC gig. Hes a well respected coach in circles, former player and great report with the players, with a history of success. Hes the assistant HC now, and weve seen guys not only interview, but get HC gigs coming from that position here. at the very least theres already guys in house that can replace Mac, imo.

    Thats if teams are even looking for DCs to be HCs. this league is all about the QB and thats not changing, so its very few that are in position to have a strong offense in place, not have an OC candidate for the HC that they want to keep and would stay on if not HC, and only a DC away from competing. I just dont see Mac, as green as he is, getting a spot yet. Id still sooner say that our success next year with or without Mac hinges on our personnel turnover, which is going to be high. I think teams around the league look at us as a team thats really stacked with talent on that side of the ball. Not saying its not possible, or warranted, but I dont really feel the need to worry about that now.

    Only thing that throws a wrench into this thought is college teams reaching out. I feel hes on a faster track now as an NFL DC, but maybe he decides to go that path instead.
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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    This board really struggles with the thought process that itís a simple job progression from coordinator to Head Coach and that all good coordinators want to be and would make good head coaches.

    They are entirely different jobs. Yes, coordinators are still the most likely source for candidates but itís nowhere near as straight line as many think it is.


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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    and how much of it is this guy?

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    What I wonder is if Chuck Smith works with everyone who rushes regardless of position. For example Kyle Hamilton has been used to pass rush a ton of times this year. We saw Arthur Maulet with a great rush on Herbert to end the game. Smth is the OLB coach but he is also a pass rush specialist. Is he just working with the position or with everyone on the defense since it seems like everyone is going to pass rush at some time this year.





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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    This board really struggles with the thought process that it’s a simple job progression from coordinator to Head Coach and that all good coordinators want to be and would make good head coaches.

    They are entirely different jobs. Yes, coordinators are still the most likely source for candidates but it’s nowhere near as straight line as many think it is.


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    Exactly!

    Monken strikes me as an excellent coordinator, but maybe he'd be too emotional and strung out trying to be a head coach.
    Macdonald strikes me as an excellent coordinator, but maybe he lacks the communication skills and demeanor to be a head coach.

    Doesn't mean either of them would be bad at it or good at it. But, the assumption that every coordinator even wants to be a head coach in the 1st place is just that...an assumption. Especially if it means being a head coach for a shit team. Yeah, I know ego plays a part and proving your mettle in adverse circumstances also plays a role. And yes, there are only 32 of these jobs. I understand the equation.





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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    What I wonder is if Chuck Smith works with everyone who rushes regardless of position. For example Kyle Hamilton has been used to pass rush a ton of times this year. We saw Arthur Maulet with a great rush on Herbert to end the game. Smith is the OLB coach but he is also a pass rush specialist. Is he just working with the position or with everyone on the defense since it seems like everyone is going to pass rush at some time this year.
    That's an excellent question. It's one thing to coach OLBs on pass rush technique and timing. It's another to also teach that to DBs. Angles are different, bull rush not really in play - technique and disguise are much more crucial. If Chuck Smith is coordinating blitz technique for multiple levels of the defense, that's a nice feather in his cap as far as consideration for DC roles.





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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Weve been through this so many times over the years. Weve been pretty successful at finding DCs.
    That got the Ravens Mattison and Pees. Oh waitÖ





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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    This board really struggles with the thought process that itís a simple job progression from coordinator to Head Coach and that all good coordinators want to be and would make good head coaches.

    They are entirely different jobs. Yes, coordinators are still the most likely source for candidates but itís nowhere near as straight line as many think it is.
    Yeah jon, many successful Coordinators have failed as HCs. It's kins of like when a HC thinks he can be the GM too. Two different skill sets. That's why I'm glad Harbaugh had Ozzie and now has EDC... Bc





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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Sign of a great organization and cultures is where your assistants are hot items and other teams want them. Blocking talent from moving is one sure quick way to stop yourself from getting any elite coaching talent.





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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    This board really struggles with the thought process that it’s a simple job progression from coordinator to Head Coach and that all good coordinators want to be and would make good head coaches.

    They are entirely different jobs. Yes, coordinators are still the most likely source for candidates but it’s nowhere near as straight line as many think it is.
    Yep. And the reverse is also true. Fans tend to point a finger at the head coach when playcalling issues stymie a team. When the offense struggles, for instance, you'll hear how Harbaugh is too stubborn to let the team play in a certain style...and sure he has his imprint on the type of team, but so does the GM...and maybe the OC's scheme didn't put them in a position to succeed. In other words, fans associate head coaches with playcalling skills more than they should. Which is your point in reverse.

    And even the rare head coach who does call plays has a lot more to concern himself.
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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Nope. Harbaugh would have to agree. The NFL would eviscerate them for promoting a white dude to HC without an interview process. It would be a giant middle finger to the Rooney rule. Ravens have too much class to do that.





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    Re: Realistically, how do the Ravens keep Macdonald from leaving for a HC opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    What I wonder is if Chuck Smith works with everyone who rushes regardless of position. For example Kyle Hamilton has been used to pass rush a ton of times this year. We saw Arthur Maulet with a great rush on Herbert to end the game. Smth is the OLB coach but he is also a pass rush specialist. Is he just working with the position or with everyone on the defense since it seems like everyone is going to pass rush at some time this year.
    Probably true

    Caught Harb's comment in the presser about Maulet on the rush at the end of the game, how he kept his feet and didn't elevate (IIRC) which was exactly what he had been coached to do in those situations. Somebody was coaching that.
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