2024 Presidential Election

**jonboy79** · Today, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Greg

The problem is the definition of what is far right. If you think Hitler was far right, well, okay. I disagree. I view the spectrum as how much government control is wanted. By my definition Hitler belongs in the same area as Mau and Stalin. I believe libertarians are actually the far right. Even further are anarchists.

Exactly this.
By THIS measure I am far right.

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**jonboy79** · Today, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by CarrollCoRaven

Looking forward to his answer to this but doubt he does.

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Still waiting….

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**wickedsolo** · Today, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Greg

The problem is the definition of what is far right. If you think Hitler was far right, well, okay. I disagree. I view the spectrum as how much government control is wanted. By my definition Hitler belongs in the same area as Mau and Stalin. I believe libertarians are actually the far right. Even further are anarchists.

I think the circle/horseshoe political spectrum theory is predicated on government control and not necessarily "left" or "right".

Again, the point is the further you go towards the extremes, the closer you get to a totalitarian state. And at that point, "right" vs "left" doesn't matter.

**blah3** · Today, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think the circle/horseshoe political spectrum theory is predicated on government control and not necessarily "left" or "right".

Again, the point is the further you go towards the extremes, the closer you get to a totalitarian state. And at that point, "right" vs "left" doesn't matter.

Again its how you define.
Isn’t it funny how yiur circle had highest freedom at the peak of moderation. Thats not by accident, thats moderates trying to make themselves appear as the epitome of all greatness

**MacMunin** · Today, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Because you can divide a circle into 4 quadrants with each point of the X and Y axis lines being in direct opposition.

The circle or horseshoe political spectrum theory isn't about right vs left, it's more about how the further you move away towards the fringes of each "side", the closer you get to totalitarianism (Socialism, Fascism, Communism, etc). And at that point, it doesn't matter if it's "Left" or "Right". It's about total control.

I also think this theory makes sense when you consider how Democrat and Republican politicians actually work together (or work together by not working together) to keep consolidating power and wealth. They're horses of a different color, but they're still horses.

Out "here" in the "real world" we are pit against one another based on ideological and moral differences and we subscribe to this "my team" mentality. Meanwhile, people like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, George Bush, AOC, Kevin McCarthy, and all the rest of them are having dinners together, attending social functions together, etc. Anyone who thinks they're at each other's throats in the same way the general public has been for the past decade is fooling themselves.

Yup. Actwhores putting on a show. Ask Hillary and her cousin Donnie Trump. The most "royal" wins, Trump goes back to Charlemagne. Thanks for playing, Killary, see you at the roast in NY beforhand. ROTFLOL.

**2bynight** · Today, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Can you name just ONE issue you have a conservative or even moderate opinion on? Since you are supposedly a moderate.

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I believe in the death penalty. Someone commits a heinous crime and its proven beyond doubt - rape/muder - forget prison - put a bullet in 'em. Is that moderate/conservative enough? Is that a leftist belief to you?

**blueridgemtnman** · Today, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Just what Americans need.

More shitty light beer.

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I would never actually drink the stuff. I own quite a collection. I think I'm up over 750 now. Quit counting years ago.

**jonboy79** · Today, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by 2bynight

I believe in the death penalty. Someone commits a heinous crime and its proven beyond doubt - rape/muder - forget prison - put a bullet in 'em. Is that moderate/conservative enough? Is that a leftist belief to you?

Commonly held “center” position, similar to access to abortions, drugs and gay marriage.

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**MacMunin** · Today, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by 2bynight

I believe in the death penalty. Someone commits a heinous crime and its proven beyond doubt - rape/muder - forget prison - put a bullet in 'em. Is that moderate/conservative enough? Is that a leftist belief to you?

Shoot, you just put a bullet in most of the higher ups at the left, right, and goverment agencies. Not to mention judges and presidents and the freaks in hollyweird. Maybe some noah hide along with the usury will fix this right up. ROTFLOL

dont forget to vote

**Greg** · Today, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think the circle/horseshoe political spectrum theory is predicated on government control and not necessarily "left" or "right".

Again, the point is the further you go towards the extremes, the closer you get to a totalitarian state. And at that point, "right" vs "left" doesn't matter.

I have seen some of these that are useful, what you posted I don't think is. RINO and moderate spots seem ad hoc without any real idea of where those types fit. They should fit in the area of wanting a good bit of government control. I am not talking about political positions, to me this is about government control. I want less, a lot less. I don't care what you think it good or bad government control. To me there is a necessary amount to enforce laws we almost all agree on, build roads, enforce contracts, that kind of stuff. Healthcare and housing and all the other kinds of crap, especially at the federal level, I want gone.

**Greg** · Today, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by 2bynight

I believe in the death penalty. Someone commits a heinous crime and its proven beyond doubt - rape/muder - forget prison - put a bullet in 'em. Is that moderate/conservative enough? Is that a leftist belief to you?

And I don't. Trying to define yourself on a single issue is a bit of a stretch. And in any case, giving the government power to kill people is giving them more authority, something those of us on the spectrum I use don't want where I stand.

You are very pro-government. I am very only necessary government, which is about 90% less than what we have.

**2bynight** · Today, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Commonly held “center” position, similar to access to abortions, drugs and gay marriage.

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If center means moderate than you are correct. The left believes the death penalty is barbaric and it is inhuman to take a life - even of a murderer.

https://veritas.enc.edu/2012/11/06/p...left-or-right/