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03-31-2023, 01:38 AM #49
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You know….I actually agree with a lot of this Greg. You know I don’t believe in organized religion, but I do believe in a higher power. That said …the problem is which God should we the people seek guidance from? We can’t agree on that so how will we ever agree to guidance?
For those that don’t know….the 12 step program from AA or NA is faith based. They need you to embrace a higher power. Seek strength and guidance from that higher power. Now that’s fine unless you’re an Atheist. Then what? Can’t be clean? This program works. I’ve seen it first hand ,but again …there’s the what if. We Americans are a headstrong bunch. Especially our young people. While there is a decline in faith for us old people …did our youth ever have it? Do kids still attend Sunday Achool? Summer Bible school ? Any church ? I doubt it.
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03-31-2023, 08:09 AM #50
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There is an objective morality we all understand, for the most part. Don't murder, don't steal, treat others with respect, etc. A moral system can only be objective and universal if there is a God. We don't need to agree on which one to get that far.
As for faith in this country, there is a movie out now called Jesus Revolution about the late 60s and early 70s Jesus movement, particularly around hippies. I believe we are in for something similar but on a grander scale. As people watch our culture spin out of control where "elites" can't even explain what a woman is there will be a real search for truth and deeper meaning.
And as a Christian I am confident it will be in Jesus where most find these things.
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03-31-2023, 08:59 AM #51Veteran Poster
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03-31-2023, 10:06 AM #52Hall Of Fame Poster
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03-31-2023, 10:23 AM #53Veteran Poster
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If you believe your absolute authority has to involve a supernatural creator than nothing I say can change that belief. Oh, and I am not an atheist. But just look at the horrible things going on in the world and tell me how your absolute authority has helped victims in the Ukraine, the tornado deaths in the US, the kids and adults who were just mowed down at the school. Seems to me a belief in a higher authority never seems to stop that stuff, so my belief is that higher authority has zero impact to change events and improve the human condition. Just has caused more pain and suffering..ala Inquisitions, Holocaust, Rwanda genocide...and I can go on and on and on....so where is your proof this higher power does jack shit for people....
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03-31-2023, 11:02 AM #54Hall Of Fame Poster
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So you have taken a lot of shots at a higher authority, mainly by mistakenly intimating that He is involved in day to day things that happen. But you completely dodged the question of how you can have an objective and universal morality without an absolute authority outside source,
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03-31-2023, 11:12 AM #55
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Where did I say you can't act morally if there is no God?
What I said was, and MANY atheist philosophers would agree, is that there is no objective morality if there is no God.
If there is no God where do you get an objective morality? You don't, you get subjective moralities. And with subjective morality nothing is really right or wrong, it's just opinion.
There are plenty of atheists who would never dream of killing somone, stealing, doing unethical acts. Human beings have the power to act righteous without the belief in a lord.
But indeed people do align with the objective morality even if they don't believe in God. Many are very moral people.
But as we have moved from God and come to the belief that people have their own truths (subjective truths) our country has moved to much more government control because people are slowly not adhering to the objective morality and are going their own way. It's how you get Enrons and Bernie Madoffs. And then you need more government control, which means less freedom.
It's right there staring us in the face.
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03-31-2023, 12:09 PM #56Regular 1st Stringer
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03-31-2023, 12:32 PM #57Hall Of Fame Poster
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Apparently a memo went out and all of CBS news is forbidden from mentioning the shooters gender or that the shooter might have been transgender. Even though a manifesto exists and it should be obvious why this person did what they did.
It's the total opposite of the type of anti-white, white male as racist, while male as terrorist "jump to conclusions mat" type of journalism you see in such cases.
Hmmmm.
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03-31-2023, 01:08 PM #58Hall Of Fame Poster
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Here is that story in case anyone doubts it.
Top executives at CBS News have banned staffers from using the word “transgender” when reporting on the Nashville shooter — despite the fact that police have said Audrey Hale was just that and cited it as a key point in the case, The Post has learned.
“The shooter’s gender identity has not been confirmed by CBS News,” the network’s executives insisted in a Tuesday memo obtained by The Post. “As such, we should avoid any mention of it as it has no known relevance to the crime. Should that change, we can and will revisit.”
https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/cbs-ex...n-audrey-hale/
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03-31-2023, 01:26 PM #59
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And then there is this.
This is what denying an objective morality, objective truth, and objective reality leads to.
Liberals are often cognitively dissonant holding to ideas that are contradictory and don't make sense when put together. They have turned this whole country into a confused, cognitively dissonant mess.
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03-31-2023, 01:38 PM #60Hall Of Fame Poster
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