Censoring in schools

[ddr_jr]

Someone make this make since to me? Especially from someone on the right who believe in not being cancelled?. Why are we trying to raise snowflake kids? Why do a few parents have so much power. At what point will this new conservative phenomenon of cancelling and criminalizing people who's ideas and moral leanings that they don't agree with will back fire on them? Like how are kids not going to read Huckleberry Finn? Or older kids having thought provoking discussions in class? I'm glad my kids don't live in areas that are dealing with this snowflake BS. I want my kids to be tough, opinionated, and able to handle and deal with adult situations as I rather they learn things while they still under my roof, then them being shielded and being shocked when they find out on their own.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...teach-anymore/


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[darb72]

Oh dear God. Okay, I can do this.

First off, your side banned Huck Finn. Not us.

Now let's get into the crux of your post. Your argument is that children should be taught ideology. At least two of the books highlighted in that article you posted are from the Zinn Education Project. The teacher quote on the front page sums it up far better than I could, so let's see what the teacher has to say.

"The Zinn Education Project is my compass in a sea of corporate textbooks, packaged common core curriculum and standardized testing. My entire curriculum is based on lessons that can be found on the Zinn Education Project". (Chris Buehler) https://www.zinnedproject.org/

So the teacher doesn't want to bother teaching the children facts, just the Socialist ideology promoted by Zinn. Kind of defeats the point of teaching, doesn't it? I don't want the Tuttle Twins books taught in school either.

Then we have Henry Rogers. Oh, I'm sorry, Ibram X. Kendi. Anywho, Henry's entire schtick is that unless you agree with him 100% of the time, then you're a racist. Yeah, I have a few problems with telling children that their entire personality is based on the color of their skin. "I don’t hate whites. How can you hate a group of people for being who they are"? He went on to say that whites are raised to be racist. That should not be in grade schools, anywhere. And I'll go ahead and say, as a medievalist, Rochester sure as hell shouldn't be taught in grade schools either. For obviously different reasons.

"Frightened she wakes, and waking frigs
Nature thus kindly eased
In dreams raised by her grunting pigs
And her own thumb betwixt her legs,
She's innocent and pleased". (Fair Chloris in a pig-sty lay, 36-40)

Let's get away from the appalling idiocy of teaching students that their evil because they're white. Or white adjacent, for the Asian folks. The article talks to Wickenkamp who claims he wasn't allowed to teach slavery is bad. I'm taking the school district's side because a good teacher should never proselytize. Slavery was a horrible idea for any reason you want to name. Terrible economic policy that hindered the growth of the South, specifically, and the U.S. in general. Humanitarian reasons because because buying and selling people like cattle isn't cool. Teach children the truth about slavery and there's no need to tell them it's bad. They'll understand on a far deeper level when they reach that conclusion themselves. Wickenkamp was a bad teacher who failed his students.

Of course, the next lady wants to teach the kids about Zinn's view of Columbus. Zinn was not a historian. His "A People's History of the United States" is wildly deceptive. The passage the teacher is talking about the Taino and Columbus said he wants to enslave them. Nope. Zinn's book uses ellipses to ignore entire days of journal entries to make it seem like Columbus was wanting to enslave folks. He just flat ignored the part where Columbus said he wanted to make friends with the Taino and convert them to Christianity. Yes, that book should be removed from the curriculum because it is false. Anyone teaching it does not have the best interest of children at heart.

Lady in Arkansas getting in trouble for giving the optional assignment of Mary Wollstonecraft's “A Vindication of the Rights of Woman". A little outside my time frame of expertise, but I read it for a paper on the matchstick girls I wrote in grad school. It does proselytize a bit, but for seniors it's a valuable resource for understanding how women were treated in the late eighteenth century. I applaud the teacher for bringing in contemporary resources to support the lesson.

Huck Finn. I love this part. "But over the past three years, White parents began lodging complaints against 'Huck Finn' in the teacher’s largely White and conservative town, she said." Funny how the white conservatives are raging against Huck Finn for use of the n-word, ain't it? I've used the book, and Mark Twain, as examples of why we should never use modern mores to judge the past. I'd be careful about reading it out loud, but the only characters using the n-word are the bad guys. Again, it was your side that tried to ban it.

Rebecca Fensholt actually had a good idea, showing videos of c--ewalks. Satire is more of a literary genre, but I digress. Then she went a step too far. The Bell Hooks' essay is not appropriate for high school. I read it. It sucks. Pretty much just a ten page screed against whiteness, patriarchy, capitalism, and I think sexism might've been in there.

To sum up, when it comes to censorship I tend to fall back on the Areopagitica by Milton. It's required reading by all my freshmen. However, some discretion is advisable when it comes to teaching. The works/books we teach should be held to rigorous academic standards. Anything by Zinn should be thrown out, along with the 1619 Project. Neither are considered serious academic works. Any material that denounces an individual based on immutable characteristics, whether it be Henry Rodgers or "Birth of a Nation", should not be allowed in public schools. We should also balance out what children of a certain age are capable of grasping, in a general sense. I wouldn't teach "Diary of Anne Frank" until the freshman year of high school.

[blah3]

Someone make this make since to me? Especially from someone on the right who believe in not being cancelled?. Why are we trying to raise snowflake kids? Why do a few parents have so much power. At what point will this new conservative phenomenon of cancelling and criminalizing people who's ideas and moral leanings that they don't agree with will back fire on them? Like how are kids not going to read Huckleberry Finn? Or older kids having thought provoking discussions in class? I'm glad my kids don't live in areas that are dealing with this snowflake BS. I want my kids to be tough, opinionated, and able to handle and deal with adult situations as I rather they learn things while they still under my roof, then them being shielded and being shocked when they find out on their own.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...teach-anymore/


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“At the same time, an ascendant parents’ rights movement born of the pandemic is seeking — and winning — greater control over how schools select, evaluate and offer children access to both classroom lessons and library books.“

Said like its a bad thing. Parents actually getting involved in what their children are being taught.
The irony here is that dd jr fell for this misleading propaganda as a grown ass man and wonders why school age children should not be exposed to agenda driven proselytizing of the grievance movement.

Kudos to darb for being able to tackle this point by point

[BuryRaven]

Someone make this make since to me? Especially from someone on the right who believe in not being cancelled?. Why are we trying to raise snowflake kids? Why do a few parents have so much power. At what point will this new conservative phenomenon of cancelling and criminalizing people who's ideas and moral leanings that they don't agree with will back fire on them? Like how are kids not going to read Huckleberry Finn? Or older kids having thought provoking discussions in class? I'm glad my kids don't live in areas that are dealing with this snowflake BS. I want my kids to be tough, opinionated, and able to handle and deal with adult situations as I rather they learn things while they still under my roof, then them being shielded and being shocked when they find out on their own.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...teach-anymore/


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You really see no issue Zinn Project as a basis for teaching?

Also its not a ban outright, students are free to read as they please but it is a lesson plan ban.

I'd love to take you to China to show you what a real ban looks like, perhaps you'd be shocked when Youtube doesn't load up on your iphone....

[CarrollCoRaven]

You really see no issue Zinn Project as a basis for teaching?

Also its not a ban outright, students are free to read as they please but it is a lesson plan ban.

I'd love to take you to China to show you what a real ban looks like, perhaps you'd be shocked when Youtube doesn't load up on your iphone....

Let alone China's own Tic Tok. It's good to see you posting BuryRaven. It's been too long.

[Willbacker]

Bumping this thread for the hopes the OP will come out of his safe space. Come on bro you abandoned the Jobs Jobs Jobs thread and now this one. Are you not up for discussion or does the truth sting that bad and shatter your view?