Why are multiple 1st round picks worth giving up a QB?

**ravensfan7716** · 02-01-2023, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mmcclend

Certain posters need to start accepting this possible reality instead of defending his every action.

I am on both sides. I have said months ago ( I think Lamar wants out) both me and you said this and were in agreement.

But I also think trashing him saying he is not a Franchise QB, is absurd. (not you, other posters)

Trashing him for missing few games is absurd.

Ronnie Stanley missed 2 entire seasons and did not receive no where near the backlash and hate.

**Mmcclend** · 02-01-2023, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Give me Lamar Jackson on the fully guaranteed deal over a boat load of picks. Draft picks are crap shoot, you don’t know what you’re gonna get out of them, in life you always go with the sure thing. This is a quarterback driven league, so why would you get rid of your top 10 quarterback? It’s stupid to even think about doing it.

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Man, I respect that you’re willing to stand on this but that’s a huge gamble! Don’t let PG anywhere near the casino lol.

**ravensfan7716** · 02-01-2023, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Is Justin Herbert a franchise QB? He’s never advanced his team deep into the playoffs. He’s never made it past the 1st round. Just checking…

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If we went by that logic there would be almost (No Franchise QBS in the league)

That logic just does not make sense

**Mmcclend** · 02-01-2023, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by ravensfan7716

I am on both sides. I have said months ago ( I think Lamar wants out) both me and you said this and were in agreement.

But I also think trashing him saying he is not a Franchise QB, is absurd. (not you, other posters)

Trashing him for missing few games is absurd.

Ronnie Stanley missed 2 entire seasons and did not receive no where near the backlash and hate.

He’s definitely a franchise QB. My issues with Lamar have been 100% the way he’s handled this entire situation. The Ravens have been at fault too, but Lamar has completely changed how I view him with his immaturity and unprofessional actions.

As a player, I’ll always defend him. I do think he can play in a traditional offense, and I don’t believe we’ve seen the best Lamar in this scheme with these weapons. He’s a great quarterback, but Lamar the person? Idk anymore. Just my opinion.

**Laxdad24** · 02-01-2023, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by ravensfan7716

Saying Lamar is not a franchise QB because he never advanced his team deep into the playoffs is absurd.

What about Josh Allen? Allens current playoff record is 4-4

Everyone wants to pump up Justin Herbert he has not done a damn thing in the playoffs so is he not a Franchise QB?

Lamars record is not good, its 1-3 but to say he is not a Franchise QB is just absurd

Isn’t the Super Bowl the goal? Lamar lead Ravens teams have never smelled that.

Allan has been to the AFCC game. They ran into the best team in the league Chiefs. Also the best QB. Oh and 4-4 is waaayy better than 1-3.

I’ve never called Herbert a Franchise Qb. He’s a very good QB. Not great. He suffers from poor mechanics also.

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**jonboy79** · 02-01-2023, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

Isn’t the Super Bowl the goal? Lamar lead Ravens teams have never smelled that.

Allan has been to the AFCC game. They ran into the best team in the league Chiefs. Also the best QB. Oh and 4-4 is waaayy better than 1-3.

I’ve never called Herbert a Franchise Qb. He’s a very good QB. Not great. He suffers from poor mechanics also.

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Lmao at trying to paint 4-4 as bad but 1-3 and skipping 1 as “not bad”.

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**Laxdad24** · 02-01-2023, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Is Justin Herbert a franchise QB? He’s never advanced his team deep into the playoffs. He’s never made it past the 1st round. Just checking…

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Nope. He’s also in the “Very Good “ Qb category.

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**Laxdad24** · 02-01-2023, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by ravensfan7716

Ray lewis was on Madden did that go to his head too?

Lewis played injured/hurt ALOT. Your boy sat out a PlayOff game! Ray was a Warrior. Lamar is a child.

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**Laxdad24** · 02-01-2023, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by ravensfan7716

I am on both sides. I have said months ago ( I think Lamar wants out) both me and you said this and were in agreement.

But I also think trashing him saying he is not a Franchise QB, is absurd. (not you, other posters)

Trashing him for missing few games is absurd.

Ronnie Stanley missed 2 entire seasons and did not receive no where near the backlash and hate.

And for the record …..I’ve Always thought Stanley was Soft. I think Lamar and his style of play made Stanley a ProBowler. He wasn’t a top LT when Joe was here.

Also …unlike Lamar , it would cost the team a boatload of money to dump Stanley. Lamar is basically UFA.

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**PGCountyRaven85** · 02-01-2023, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mmcclend

Man, I respect that you’re willing to stand on this but that’s a huge gamble! Don’t let PG anywhere near the casino lol.

The hit rate for QB draft picks is quite low, to get a starter, let alone a top 5 (IMO top 3) QB. With Lamar, a better wide receiver, a modern passing scheme, this team is ready to win multiple championships NOW. Getting rid of Lamar is starting over ad puts you 3-5 away from being a SB. Is the goal to win SBs or worry whether you get a cap friendly deal? Or is it to hoard draft pics and cap space? Ppl are forgetting the ultimate goal!!!!!

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**VegasRaven** · 02-01-2023, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Speaking for myself...and probably most of the board except for a vocal few, the preference is to keep him.

However, at some point, decisions have to be made.

I would like to see if Lamar can stay healthy and produce for one more year before a large contract that will eat a lot of cap space. Right now and with 2 seasons of injuries, I doubt that the Ravens could get two 1st round picks for him. Running QB's do not have long careers in the NFL unless they transition to passing QB's.

**ravensfan7716** · 02-01-2023, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

Isn’t the Super Bowl the goal? Lamar lead Ravens teams have never smelled that.

Allan has been to the AFCC game. They ran into the best team in the league Chiefs. Also the best QB. Oh and 4-4 is waaayy better than 1-3.

I’ve never called Herbert a Franchise Qb. He’s a very good QB. Not great. He suffers from poor mechanics also.

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If the Super bowl was the goal in your statement, than you cannot lump Josh Allen into the context because either way (4-4 or 1-3) it makes no difference neither got there.

So are you admitting and saying (Josh Allen and Justin Herbert) are not Franchise QBS? I think most people would completely disagree with you.

You do not like Lamar, Your posts easily convey that over and over. That is your opinion which you are entitled too.

I just think your statement made no sense, because I would bet you would have said (Josh Allen is a Franchise QB) and he has not accomplished much more.

The Ravens 2019 season 14-2 schedule, that team thought they were making a superbowl. They smelled it, but they were and continue to be poorly coached and have fallen short.

The final statement on mechanics, if that is the outlier on what a Franchise QB is, then you must not believe Mahomes is a Franchise QB then? Did you watch the Chiefs vs Bengals game? Mahomes throws all kinds of sidearm, poorly looking mechanic throws. He almost handed a turn over to the bengals on an under hand throw on a play.

Lamar or Mahomes are not Peyton Manning. A traditional Robot play action QB.

Both play the game with a different style. You will often see Mahomes throwing crazy angles just like Lamar does