“Falling Off the Kliff”

**sailorsam** · 01-19-2022, 05:21 PM

as I recall the Cards management wanted a young offensive type and missed out on other hires
kind of local (southwest)
apparently a good guy

He sure did a lot better than some other hires (Urban Meyer)

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 01-19-2022, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Iamjacks

What about Switzer?

Barry Switzer is one of the College football coaching greats...3 championships, annual top 5 poll finishes. He wasn't made out for the NFL, but he had a massively successful track record in college at Oklahoma in the 70's and 80's.

Kliff Kingsbury was literally hired coming off of 3 consecutive LOSING college seasons. 4 losing seasons out of 6, 35-40 record, 19-35 in the Big 12 conference. Nothing about that says he should have been hired as an NFL head coach.

GOTA made a great point that apparently the Cardinals gave him a ton of credit for Mahomes, but even with Mahomes, he managed one barely over .500 season when Mahomes was there. For me, the fact that NFL teams gave guys like him a shot (as well as guys who are obvious failures like Gase) is clown shit when there are so many other guys who have paid their dues and been successful and aren't beign given shots.

**mmi16** · 01-20-2022, 10:55 PM

Successful coordinators aren't necessarily good Head Coaches.

**Iamjacks** · 01-21-2022, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Barry Switzer is one of the College football coaching greats...3 championships, annual top 5 poll finishes. He wasn't made out for the NFL, but he had a massively successful track record in college at Oklahoma in the 70's and 80's.

Kliff Kingsbury was literally hired coming off of 3 consecutive LOSING college seasons. 4 losing seasons out of 6, 35-40 record, 19-35 in the Big 12 conference. Nothing about that says he should have been hired as an NFL head coach.

GOTA made a great point that apparently the Cardinals gave him a ton of credit for Mahomes, but even with Mahomes, he managed one barely over .500 season when Mahomes was there. For me, the fact that NFL teams gave guys like him a shot (as well as guys who are obvious failures like Gase) is clown shit when there are so many other guys who have paid their dues and been successful and aren't beign given shots.

Thank you for your thoughtful post.

**TecmoRaven** · 01-21-2022, 11:00 AM

He's winning at life. Google his gf.

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**PGCountyRaven85** · 01-21-2022, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

I agree with both Shaslers and Lobachevsky. There are some guys who are better coordinators than Head Coaches. Kingsbury looks to be one of those guys, and if the Cardinals push that button, one of us needs to pull out the Visa card and fly him into BWI.

If this happens, we’re starting a Cash App account called $Kliff2BmoreASAP.

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**Twitch11** · 01-21-2022, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

I agree with both Shaslers and Lobachevsky. There are some guys who are better coordinators than Head Coaches. Kingsbury looks to be one of those guys, and if the Cardinals push that button, one of us needs to pull out the Visa card and fly him into BWI.

His collapse with the Cardinals was on offense. Everyone is complaining about people figuring Romans offense and yet want to hire someone whose offense also falls off of a "Kliff". They scored 10pts in loss to Carolina, 12pts in loss to Detroit and 16 pts in loss to Indy.

I think people are enamored with him because he passes a ton. Roman>Kingsbury.

**jonboy79** · 01-21-2022, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Twitch11

His collapse with the Cardinals was on offense. Everyone is complaining about people figuring Romans offense and yet want to hire someone whose offense also falls off of a "Kliff". They scored 10pts in loss to Carolina, 12pts in loss to Detroit and 16 pts in loss to Indy.

I people are enamored with him because he passes a ton. Roman>Kingsbury.

Bingo, most just care about pass attempts and little more. Also why they have interest in Joe Brady who was fired for not running the ball enough.

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**Terpsfan82** · 01-21-2022, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Twitch11

His collapse with the Cardinals was on offense. Everyone is complaining about people figuring Romans offense and yet want to hire someone whose offense also falls off of a "Kliff". They scored 10pts in loss to Carolina, 12pts in loss to Detroit and 16 pts in loss to Indy.

I think people are enamored with him because he passes a ton. Roman>Kingsbury.

Think the loss of DHop might have something to do with that?