What does this coaching staff actually give Lamar?

**Terpsfan82** · 01-17-2022, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Mmcclend

They give him a cape.

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**Iamjacks** · 01-17-2022, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Mmcclend

They give him a cape.

They give him a cape and a locked vault.

**Iamjacks** · 01-17-2022, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Where was this thread when we were 14-2, #1 offense in the league and very few injuries? THAT is the great mystery to me.

Learning the strengths weaknesses of the offense like everyone else

**RAVEN2FLY** · 01-17-2022, 11:32 AM

Nothing that the next coach couldn't do. Harbs inherited a team that was lead by hall of famers. The supberbowl had everything to do with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. They got those guys up to play. Those were the real leaders.. He got a superbowl out of it. Then he got Lamar. Which extended his career an additional 5 years thus far. Harbs has to realize that this is a young man's game. He needs a young OC but im afraid Harbs is scared of that. He doesn't want to hire his replacement. What can you offer Lamar when you are disconnected from what you actually need? Roman offense does not breed all pro Qbs year in and year out.

**Jfoh** · 01-17-2022, 12:05 PM

To be fair GRo may be the best running game OC of his generation. If this was 20-30 years ago he would be talked about in HOF type hype but the NFL has changed.

The rules clearly favor the passing game. Receivers can go catch balls across the middle and know they will not be destroyed by defenders. PI is called when receivers are tightly covered and fail to catch the ball. Big hits are illegal for the most part. It’s all about big scores not big defensive plays or even big runs.

And in light of this GRo still runs the ball with complex scheme and precision execution and very slow play calling. Well after three years defense have figured out the new keys, figured out what misdirections to ignore and how to be in position close enough to slow down or stop this running game. GRo has fully developed his running game with this personnel so it comes down for the fourth time in his coaching career can he develop a great passing attack? Answer is no, no he can not.

Time to move on to someone who can. To someone who can get plays called with 20 seconds on the clock instead of 10. Time to take the passing game up to the next level. For the first time the Ravens have five or six receivers who can catch the ball. We need a quick passing attack which can defeat cover zero or blitzes. We need a passing game which features our young WR/TE talents and one which goes so quickly three minute TD drives are as back breaking as our 10 minute run drives can be.

**QtR Nevermore** · 01-17-2022, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Where was this thread when we were 14-2, #1 offense in the league and very few injuries? THAT is the great mystery to me.

That was two years ago and time passes in the NFL like dog years.

That offense was great but it was pretty one dimensional, with the passing game relying heavily on a dominant run game, powered by an O line featuring Yanda, a fully healthy Stanley and OBJ, with a fully fit Boyle. It will be hard to recapture all that and, even if we did, the NFL has got better at defending Romanball. Even when it had all those great pieces in place, that offense has never worked in the playoffs anyway, so is it really worth trying to recapture 2019?

It would be like when a doomed couple decides they want to try to get along like they did at the beginning - a pointless exercise that only delays the inevitable decision to move on.

**edromeo** · 01-17-2022, 12:16 PM

It’s not as binary as you make it.

I’ll be the first to say this offense isn’t “QB friendly”. It doesn’t give empty calorie yards. It’s not going to maximize any QBs passing.

This offense (when healthy) can lead the league in scoring points, dominates the run game, produced NFL MVP Lamar, controls time of possession and was a Crabtree drop away from the winning the SB. This is a SB caliber offense.

Do we want to win games or have Lamar throw for 4,800 yards (which he could in any other offense).

**jonboy79** · 01-17-2022, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Where was this thread when we were 14-2, #1 offense in the league and very few injuries? THAT is the great mystery to me.

No, then the talk was about the WR’s he didn’t have. Now that, THAT has been remedied now they had to find some other reason to complain we still run the ball instead of pass:

What does he get?
More draft investment in the Wr position than any other team in football:
The best run concepts in football.
The best run blocking extras in football:
Plenty of Carrie’s to develop a rhythm in the run game, by far his strong suit.
Ball control that limits the need to relying on the passing game(the weaker part of his game).
Enough fear in opposing defenses to stop them from playing two high safeties.
The best kicker this game has ever seen to bail him out like in Detroit.
The best TE in football.
The only coach in football with the nads to constantly go for two, and go for it on fourth down. To REALLY believe in his guy to do what he does best.

Simply out, hands down the best scheme and coaching staff for who Lamar actually is as a player.

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**veritas** · 01-17-2022, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Because I can run off a list of things they DON'T give him:

They don't give him a screen game
They don't give him the play-call until late in the play-clock
They don't give him the Sugar huddle, to help him get into a rhythm, or keep defenses on their heels once they start reeling, or to get the passing offense as a whole into a rhythm
They don't give him improved route concepts
They don't give him an abundance of blitz beaters

Now, if you have a differing opinion on who Lamar is and what his ceiling as a passer is, then that is very understandable. But unless you believe his ceiling is the roof of a basement....... I mean, someone help me understand what Roman actually does for Lamar and if it's that Lamar's ceiling is far lower than I think it is, what is really different about this offense, compared to other Roman offenses we've seen before Lamar? And if there is no difference, why?

Lamar's ceiling might be lower than we think it is but he'll never reach it with Roman at the controls. He's like a 1,000 lb. anchor on a runabout boat. When you watch other teams run these beautiful and effective screen plays it just makes you realize how horribly basic our offense is.

**iceman43** · 01-17-2022, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

No, then the talk was about the WR’s he didn’t have. Now that, THAT has been remedied now they had to find some other reason to complain we still run the ball instead of pass:

What does he get?
More draft investment in the Wr position than any other team in football:
The best run concepts in football.
The best run blocking extras in football:
Plenty of Carrie’s to develop a rhythm in the run game, by far his strong suit.
Ball control that limits the need to relying on the passing game(the weaker part of his game).
Enough fear in opposing defenses to stop them from playing two high safeties.
The best kicker this game has ever seen to bail him out like in Detroit.
The best TE in football.
The only coach in football with the nads to constantly go for two, and go for it on fourth down. To REALLY believe in his guy to do what he does best.

Simply out, hands down the best scheme and coaching staff for who Lamar actually is as a player.

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**veritas** · 01-17-2022, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Where was this thread when we were 14-2, #1 offense in the league and very few injuries? THAT is the great mystery to me.

It's not really mysterious. Roman is simply following the same trajectory he followed in SF. If you want Lamar to be the next Kaepernick, then Roman is your guy.

**veritas** · 01-17-2022, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

No, then the talk was about the WR’s he didn’t have. Now that, THAT has been remedied now they had to find some other reason to complain we still run the ball instead of pass:

What does he get?
More draft investment in the Wr position than any other team in football:
The best run concepts in football.
The best run blocking extras in football:
Plenty of Carrie’s to develop a rhythm in the run game, by far his strong suit.
Ball control that limits the need to relying on the passing game(the weaker part of his game).
Enough fear in opposing defenses to stop them from playing two high safeties.
The best kicker this game has ever seen to bail him out like in Detroit.
The best TE in football.
The only coach in football with the nads to constantly go for two, and go for it on fourth down. To REALLY believe in his guy to do what he does best.

Simply out, hands down the best scheme and coaching staff for who Lamar actually is as a player.

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We no longer have the best run concepts in football. We did in 2019 but not since then. Roman abandoned all of it in the playoff game down 10-0 and he's never returned. BTW, Lamar will become progressively less effective as a runner and more prone to injury every season as he ages. If we have concluded that he can't do it as a passer, then we need both a QB and OC. However, I'm not sure about his ceiling as a passer because he's stuck in a scheme that can't possibly maximize his potential in that area.