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    Nihilism

    Is anyone in here an atheist? And if so, are you a nihilist? And if not, what keeps you from being nihilistic?

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    Re: Nihilism

    I'm An athesist, raised by a jew family, go figure. I guess you could say I'm A nihilistic in a sense, but I honestly don't understand it very well. I've had some whiskey tonight so I am definitely down to figure this out.

    Maybe it would be easier (for me) if you just asked me questions?

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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by usmccharles View Post
    I'm An athesist, raised by a jew family, go figure. I guess you could say I'm A nihilistic in a sense, but I honestly don't understand it very well. I've had some whiskey tonight so I am definitely down to figure this out.

    Maybe it would be easier (for me) if you just asked me questions?

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    Nihilism by definition is "the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless."

    I've always assumed that in the absence of a belief in God, that one would by default be a nihilist. Yet, many nihilist's believe in behaving within moral bounds. Why is this?

    Sorry for the late response

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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by bandc View Post
    Nihilism by definition is "the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless."

    I've always assumed that in the absence of a belief in God, that one would by default be a nihilist. Yet, many nihilist's believe in behaving within moral bounds. Why is this?

    Sorry for the late response

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    ***disclaimer whiskey***

    I can only speak for myself and my beliefs, i have always not-liked when people are pushed into a category ie republicans, democrats, libs, or any label. I think labels are very small minded etc...

    Just because i don't believe in god doesn't mean i don't have a moral compass, therefore nihilism doesn't equal atheism. They do not correlate. I am sure you and many members on here have a lot of friends that don't believe in god, does that mean they are a bad person? Well, maybe to you and how you "judge" people, but thats where the issue is. (not you you, you= people in general)

    By definition you are correct, Nihilism disregards religious and moral principles. So i am for sure atheist and i follow the nihilistic belief of life is meaningless, but that doesnt mean i dont have morals. I have a bigger issue with people who follow a certain religion and do things that they are "supposed to do" to get into heaven rather than what they think they should do. What i grew up in church was a social event, you go there to put on a show and then those people go home and beat their SO.

    This is why labels are dangerous because one label=numerous things. Its like a draft class, just because DeCosta nailed a draft ie Lamar, Andrews etc, doesnt mean there wasnt a miss/misses. This prolly makes zero sense, but hey,....Whiskey
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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by usmccharles View Post
    ***disclaimer whiskey***

    I can only speak for myself and my beliefs, i have always not-liked when people are pushed into a category ie republicans, democrats, libs, or any label. I think labels are very small minded etc...

    Just because i don't believe in god doesn't mean i don't have a moral compass, therefore nihilism doesn't equal atheism. They do not correlate. I am sure you and many members on here have a lot of friends that don't believe in god, does that mean they are a bad person? Well, maybe to you and how you "judge" people, but thats where the issue is. (not you you, you= people in general)

    By definition you are correct, Nihilism disregards religious and moral principles. So i am for sure atheist and i follow the nihilistic belief of life is meaningless, but that doesnt mean i dont have morals. I have a bigger issue with people who follow a certain religion and do things that they are "supposed to do" to get into heaven rather than what they think they should do. What i grew up in church was a social event, you go there to put on a show and then those people go home and beat their SO.

    This is why labels are dangerous because one label=numerous things. Its like a draft class, just because DeCosta nailed a draft ie Lamar, Andrews etc, doesnt mean there wasnt a miss/misses. This prolly makes zero sense, but hey,....Whiskey
    Thank you for your response!

    I have a couple questions in response to this:

    1. If you truly believe that "life is meaningless" why should you live with morals? For example, 99.9% of people believe that the life of a cockroach is truly meaningless and so we treat their "lives" as such. But we don't treat humans with the same regard. Most nihilist's behave as if their own, and other's lives have some sort of intrinsic meaning. Why is this?

    2. Did you find more fault in the Jewish religion itself or the people who practiced the religion. I believe this is an important clarification to make.

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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by bandc View Post
    Thank you for your response!

    I have a couple questions in response to this:

    1. If you truly believe that "life is meaningless" why should you live with morals? For example, 99.9% of people believe that the life of a cockroach is truly meaningless and so we treat their "lives" as such. But we don't treat humans with the same regard. Most nihilist's behave as if their own, and other's lives have some sort of intrinsic meaning. Why is this?

    2. Did you find more fault in the Jewish religion itself or the people who practiced the religion. I believe this is an important clarification to make.

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    1) Just because i believe life is meaningless and there is no "great beyond" (Name that reference) doesn't mean i think people;s feelings don't matter, especially their well being. I am more confused on the part where people not believing in a god/the god are labeled as people who don't care and somehow ignore social well being of others. I don't have to believe in a god or an afterlife, or to be rewarded with whatever makes me happy (i f heaven exists i think its contingent towards each person) to treat a friend (example you) with respect and love. I can completely disagree with something you say, doesn't mean i want ill will to happen towards you. or anyone. (to be clear, i love everyone)


    2) I was raised from a Jew family but i was the one that didn't conform, my mom respected that because she thinks its your right to blaze your own path. But i do know the Jewish law and my mom was very Jewish, in return im a jew. I wont lie, i don't have enough experience in jew stuff to have a real opinion because i was raised with absolute freedom and im sure you can see where i lean. But...i also dont think any religion what so every, holds ground on another religion. Ie Christians, Jews, Baptis, LDS, even Scientology fucks, clearly thats where we get into grey areas

    I believe all religion is flawed. Your telling me god is on our side when we go to war? is that why we beat the Nazis? What about the other side because you know damn sure they are saying the exact same shit. If everyone could stop looking at religion as a divider and a way to come together. We could do do such great things. But sadly, people want to be right......rather than get it right.
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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by usmccharles View Post
    ***disclaimer whiskey***

    I can only speak for myself and my beliefs, i have always not-liked when people are pushed into a category ie republicans, democrats, libs, or any label. I think labels are very small minded etc...

    Just because i don't believe in god doesn't mean i don't have a moral compass, therefore nihilism doesn't equal atheism. They do not correlate. I am sure you and many members on here have a lot of friends that don't believe in god, does that mean they are a bad person? Well, maybe to you and how you "judge" people, but thats where the issue is. (not you you, you= people in general)

    By definition you are correct, Nihilism disregards religious and moral principles. So i am for sure atheist and i follow the nihilistic belief of life is meaningless, but that doesnt mean i dont have morals. I have a bigger issue with people who follow a certain religion and do things that they are "supposed to do" to get into heaven rather than what they think they should do. What i grew up in church was a social event, you go there to put on a show and then those people go home and beat their SO.

    This is why labels are dangerous because one label=numerous things. Its like a draft class, just because DeCosta nailed a draft ie Lamar, Andrews etc, doesnt mean there wasnt a miss/misses. This prolly makes zero sense, but hey,....Whiskey
    Well said. Truth in wine, or whiskey, in your case

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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by usmccharles View Post
    ***disclaimer whiskey***

    I can only speak for myself and my beliefs, i have always not-liked when people are pushed into a category ie republicans, democrats, libs, or any label. I think labels are very small minded etc...

    Just because i don't believe in god doesn't mean i don't have a moral compass, therefore nihilism doesn't equal atheism. They do not correlate. I am sure you and many members on here have a lot of friends that don't believe in god, does that mean they are a bad person? Well, maybe to you and how you "judge" people, but thats where the issue is. (not you you, you= people in general)

    By definition you are correct, Nihilism disregards religious and moral principles. So i am for sure atheist and i follow the nihilistic belief of life is meaningless, but that doesnt mean i dont have morals. I have a bigger issue with people who follow a certain religion and do things that they are "supposed to do" to get into heaven rather than what they think they should do. What i grew up in church was a social event, you go there to put on a show and then those people go home and beat their SO.

    This is why labels are dangerous because one label=numerous things. Its like a draft class, just because DeCosta nailed a draft ie Lamar, Andrews etc, doesnt mean there wasnt a miss/misses. This prolly makes zero sense, but hey,....Whiskey
    Why do you have a moral compass? What is the basis of your morality? More importantly, do you believe there is an objective morality, i.e. one that applies to all. For example, would you believe slavery is objectively wrong for all people? Do you think sexually abusing children and babies is objectively wrong for all people?





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    Re: Nihilism

    I used to be very nihilistic but it really doesn't make sense. You gotta stick with the facts and humans have a natural sense of purpose, strong desire to live meaningfully (some more than others) and of course the ability to empathize.

    Nihilism pretty much says there's no real reason to get up in the morning, yet we do it anyway because of our "mental programming". Plenty of people can get depressed with this train of thought because it can feel dehumanizing real quick.

    As far as mental compass goes, in a nihilistic world there is no right and wrong. Whether we do what's right or do what's wrong, eternal death is futile. And right/wrong isn't universal in a nihilistic world and always subect to change depending on society. It's man-made, essentially. And that's typically not concrete.





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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by Culex View Post
    I used to be very nihilistic but it really doesn't make sense. You gotta stick with the facts and humans have a natural sense of purpose, strong desire to live meaningfully (some more than others) and of course the ability to empathize.

    Nihilism pretty much says there's no real reason to get up in the morning, yet we do it anyway because of our "mental programming". Plenty of people can get depressed with this train of thought because it can feel dehumanizing real quick.

    As far as mental compass goes, in a nihilistic world there is no right and wrong. Whether we do what's right or do what's wrong, eternal death is futile. And right/wrong isn't universal in a nihilistic world and always subect to change depending on society. It's man-made, essentially. And that's typically not concrete.
    I definitely do concede that right and wrong is usually in the eye of the society, however as I've grown older, I've noticed this strange phenomena among people who consider themselves religious and more importantly, those who don't as well.

    For example many, many people in both camps report that after looking at porn and jacking off, they feel a sense of disgust with themselves. A feeling of knowing that they've indulged in something that debases them in a way. I've also see this with people who have slept with a great number of people. They report feeling an emptiness, a void, and a regret of the choice they've made. I would contend (especially within the non religious group) that these feelings of inadequacy aren't man-made, but maybe something deeper calling you to a higher level of being.

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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by bandc View Post
    I definitely do concede that right and wrong is usually in the eye of the society, however as I've grown older, I've noticed this strange phenomena among people who consider themselves religious and more importantly, those who don't as well.

    For example many, many people in both camps report that after looking at porn and jacking off, they feel a sense of disgust with themselves. A feeling of knowing that they've indulged in something that debases them in a way. I've also see this with people who have slept with a great number of people. They report feeling an emptiness, a void, and a regret of the choice they've made. I would contend (especially within the non religious group) that these feelings of inadequacy aren't man-made, but maybe something deeper calling you to a higher level of being.

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    This is subjective morality, morality as seen through the eyes of a person or group of people but it doesn't universally apply. If there is objective morality it would apply to everybody. Objective morality is the only one that would apply to everybody equally.





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    Re: Nihilism

    Quote Originally Posted by bandc View Post
    Thank you for your response!

    I have a couple questions in response to this:

    1. If you truly believe that "life is meaningless" why should you live with morals? For example, 99.9% of people believe that the life of a cockroach is truly meaningless and so we treat their "lives" as such. But we don't treat humans with the same regard. Most nihilist's behave as if their own, and other's lives have some sort of intrinsic meaning. Why is this?

    2. Did you find more fault in the Jewish religion itself or the people who practiced the religion. I believe this is an important clarification to make.

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    Which is part of exactly why nihilism makes zero sense. You're putting yourself, as well as the rest of existence in a very tiny box and what we know about the universe is that it is anything but a box.

    It's more accurate to call the universe and/or existence this strange multi-dimensional reality that's so far out of the box that it can reshape itself and bend the very fabrics of time and space at an instant. Because it did.





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