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11-29-2021, 11:46 PM #49
Re: CORONAVIRUSCOVID Death Toll Under Biden Set to Surpass Trump, In Less Time
Until natural immunity is at least granted equal status to vaccination this is nothing but a scam to put money in big pharma's pockets . . . AT BEST.
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11-30-2021, 08:21 AM #50Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: CORONAVIRUSCOVID Death Toll Under Biden Set to Surpass Trump, In Less Time
No data is better than bad data.
I don't trust any government on this. Especially with the things were seeing around the world with this.
I just thought it was funny to see someone who is historically untrusting of government(s) but has used them a lot recently to back up what you believe.
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11-30-2021, 11:06 AM #52Veteran Poster
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Re: CORONAVIRUSCOVID Death Toll Under Biden Set to Surpass Trump, In Less Time
The issue with the obesity argument is that obesity impacts the lone individual (will not get into health care costs and how obesity impacts that nationally). Suffice to say, if Haystacks Calhoun is sitting next to me at the lunch counter, he does not impact my health one bit. However, if Haystacks Calhoun is smoking a cigarette next to me then I get second hand smoke and it does impact my health. Hence why indoor smoking is banned in restaurants and buildings. I use the same logic with Covid. Haystacks is sitting next to me unvaccinated and with Covid - that may indeed impact my health because I have underlying cancer and vaccines are not a panacea for everything.
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11-30-2021, 11:13 AM #53Veteran Poster
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Re: CORONAVIRUSCOVID Death Toll Under Biden Set to Surpass Trump, In Less Time
Then you better get used to knighting people, queenie. Does someone far left believe in the death penalty? If someone rapes and kills a little girl, I believe that person should be getting a lethal injection, bullet, or drawn and quartered as soon as possible after being found guilty with immutable evidence. Does that sound far left? I believe Israel should be allowed to rain down holy hell on the Pals if they get rocket attacks...is that your definition of far left? I can keep going....
As far as NC being a flat earther - well your orange lord loves the uneducated.
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11-30-2021, 11:18 AM #54Veteran Poster
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11-30-2021, 11:21 AM #55Veteran Poster
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11-30-2021, 11:24 AM #56Veteran Poster
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11-30-2021, 11:45 AM #57Veteran Poster
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Let's take a look at your past posts. You called me a fucking prick for me simply stating my views here long before I had laid an insult on you or anyone. Now you clutch your pearls and profess to be upset because I called someone a flat earther who first called me ignorant. Yea right, you are just Miss Innocent here along with other name callers...
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11-30-2021, 12:02 PM #59Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: CORONAVIRUSCOVID Death Toll Under Biden Set to Surpass Trump, In Less Time
I would say that’s a fair argument. However, I will add a couple of things to this. I think it absolutely affects you, even regardless of healthcare costs. If people with very strong immune system‘s, and in general we’re healthy, I feel like herd immunity would’ve been reached already. I feel like people who are in general healthy, and have strong immune systems, are generally speaking the asymptomatic cases. Now I realize it sounds more dangerous because they didn’t know they were sick, however, that leads me to believe that coupled with the fact that natural immunity is better than a vaccine, if a healthy person can kick this in two days, I would be more than happy with no mandates whatsoever considering the timeframe and the immunity gained from healthy people getting sick. The problem we have is that obese people get these things, and they keep continuing to have them for longer than necessary because their immune system can’t fight them off as quickly.
Think about it as a window of opportunity. If you as a general healthy person, or me myself as a general healthy person when I get Covid and kick in two days that means that two days of exposure is really all we have to be worried about, now I understand that there’s incubation periods, and periods after which you can still get sick but let’s just say a nice round number of two or three days. If you’re healthy and your immune system kicks it in three days, now you have immunity better than that of a vaccine which will protect you for longer, and your window of exposure was only three days. Now let’s take somebody who is obese in that same situation in their window of time is 7 to 10 days, because their immune system is having a hard time fighting it off. Now they’ve doubled to tripled the amount of time in which they can get someone sick. I think that is worth mentioning. And I also think that the narrative that obesity only affects that sole person is incorrect.
Now I’d really like to reiterate that I’m talking from a strictly medical perspective, I have nothing against big people, and I wish them well, and I have friends who are big so it’s not like I’m somebody who is disgusted by fat people. That’s really not what it is, but I’m strictly speaking on the medical side of things that obesity is probably the biggest problem we have when it comes to Covid. I would also like to state that I’m not against the vaccine in principle. If people feel like they need a vaccine, then they should absolutely get one and there should be zero stigma or chiding of people who get it. I don’t think people who get the vaccine are stupid, or they’re lemmings, or they’re scared. Now of course there is a certain portion of the population, and other people who get it for political reasons, but I truly believe that a lot of people want to get it just to be safe. And that’s absolutely an intelligent decision.
There are countries that are starting to ban it for people who are under 30 and healthy, because the complications from the vaccine is of a greater risk to them than Covid itself. I think that’s very interesting and some thing we should be looking at when we’re talking about vaccination mandates. If you as a business owner give somebody under the age 30 the choice to get a vaccine, or now they have to watch their family be put in the bread lines, and that person dies from the side effects of the vaccine, make no mistake the blood is on your hands. That is something business owners are grappling with at the moment, and that’s why I think leaving it up to a personal choice is the only morally responsible thing to do.
I also understand that people will make the opposing argument the vaccines are the only morally responsible thing to do, which that’s a fine position to take, however you lose the moral high ground when you mandate them, at least in my opinion. So when you couple all of these things together, and then you add the coup de grace of them not releasing The data in which they base their approval on for the next 55 years.You seem like a reasonably intelligent fella, so I know you understand how that looks suspicious to say the very least. If good science is what got testing approved the why would you not let people see it? What’s in the vaccine is already protected by some sort of patent law im assuming, so you really wouldn’t have to worry about people not getting your money in that regard, so there just seems to be something that they’re hiding, and it’s really hard to make an informed decision when you don’t have the information wouldn’t you agree?Last edited by Ranger; 11-30-2021 at 12:08 PM.
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11-30-2021, 12:04 PM #60Veteran Poster
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