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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN View Post
    Here's my take on this, the emails were leaked because the Davis family wanted to get out of the contract......

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    Re: Jon Gruden

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    I don't get how his age and being a boomer is somehow a bad thing. I am both and I regularly socialize with dozens of people every month, including a good number on this message board, and these kinds of words just aren't used.

    Frankly I was kind of stunned. Of all the mostly white men I regularly hang out with in various settings this kind of thing is just not done. It's a long gone era. Or at least I thought it was.

    I am now interested in what the other folks on these emails were writing in their sides of the emails.
    I'm curious about that too. I get the feeling we'll be seeing a lot of redacted emails, however.
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    Re: Jon Gruden

    Quote Originally Posted by New ! View Post
    You can’t possibly believe Gruden lost his job over “vulgar language”. He just told the entire world what he thinks of black people and gays which about 90 percent of his team is composed of.
    He did. please show me where, cause I haven't seen that.

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    You accidentally did the same thing when you said half the league are “criminals” so I’m not surprised that you think the problem is with what he said, not with what he believes.
    Ha... breaking news here... but criminal is not synonymous with black people. But that you accidentally let us know you think it is, tells us a lot about you.
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    Re: Jon Gruden

    Urban Meyer is thanking his lucky stars for Jon Gruden. Meyer is out of the headlines for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waywatcher View Post
    No, I'm just applying an appeal to extremes. It's a shitty debate technique, but I'm trying to extrapolate your position to its logical - albeit extreme - end. Cuz, right now, you're effectively arguing that, unless we make ALL the progress, that's it hypocritical to make ANY progress.

    It's totally fine to both applaud Gruden's resignation AND want that same principle applied to current players who've been credibly accused of domestic violence, child abuse, and criminal threats. But, again, that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread.

    See why I hate "whataboutism"?
    No. I'm arguing if you're going to fire one, fire both. If you're not going to fire both, don't fire either.

    Anything less is a double standard and leaves you open to (justified) criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    No. I'm arguing if you're going to fire one, fire both. If you're not going to fire both, don't fire either.

    Anything less is a double standard and leaves you open to (justified) criticism.
    So you literally are stating "Well, guess we shouldn't punish anyone until we punish everyone then"? Shit, I guess I wasn't exaggerating at all.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Waywatcher View Post
    So you literally are stating "Well, guess we shouldn't punish anyone until we punish everyone then"? Shit, I guess I wasn't exaggerating at all.
    Nope. They fired one, now be consistent fire the other.

    And if they don't, I am justified in criticizing them for being inconsistent.

    Nuance isn't your thing, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Nope. They'd fired one, now be consistent fire the other.

    And if they don't, I am justified in criticizing them for being inconsistent.

    Nuance isn't your thing, is it?
    Gruden wasn't even fired, Mr. Nuance. LOL





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    Quote Originally Posted by Waywatcher View Post
    Gruden wasn't even fired, Mr. Nuance. LOL
    If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. LOL

    EDIT:
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    allegedly the league was going to keep releasing the emails until the Raiders fired him. The league didn't want to get into disciple and be sued so they played dirty pool.

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/league-...012710523.html
    Last edited by NCRAVEN; 10-12-2021 at 03:43 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. LOL
    You dragged this down to a semantic level to argue what you think qualifies as nuance. Now semantics are a bastion of my gullibility? Is this how you often "win" debates - by feinting and deflecting to infuriate your opponent?





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    Re: Jon Gruden

    Quote Originally Posted by Waywatcher View Post
    You dragged this down to a semantic level to argue what you think qualifies as nuance. Now semantics are a bastion of my gullibility? Is this how you often "win" debates - by feinting and deflecting to infuriate your opponent?
    There isn't a debate here. No one.. that I'm aware of is trying to prove their "side" right or wrong.

    As far as I can tell you agree they should fire "pieces of shit", like they did Gruden...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    There isn't a debate here. No one.. that I'm aware of is trying to prove their "side" right or wrong.

    As far as I can tell you agree they should fire "pieces of shit", like they did Gruden...
    I do. And apparently you don't, unless they do all of it at the same time.

    I'm arguing that being half right is better than being all wrong.





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