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Thread: Hollywood switched to #5
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05-19-2021, 11:28 PM #49
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05-19-2021, 11:31 PM #50
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Re: Hollywood switched to #5
Let's win the f**king game.
Joe Flacco
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05-20-2021, 12:13 AM #52
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05-20-2021, 07:41 AM #53
Re: Hollywood switched to #5
I don't care what number anyone wears but thinking about jerseys etc gave me a hankering to see Hollywood try on Ben Cleveland's jersey just to see if it looks like a floor length gown.
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Re: Hollywood switched to #5
Why was I thinking Brooks Robinson and not Joe Flacco? lol
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05-20-2021, 01:25 PM #55Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Hollywood switched to #5
My personal standard for whether or not a number should ever be worn again: Were you in the conversation as one of the top 3 players to ever play that position at the time of your retirement from the league?
You don't necessarily have to dominate that conversation, but it certainly doesn't hurt. 19, 75, 52, and 20 should never be worn again, and need to be officially retired (not that anyone is dumb enough to request one of those four numbers here ever again). As for Flacco, he will be in the Ring of Honor as soon as he decides to hang up the cleats. He's definitely in the Hall of Very Good, and was the Ravens first real franchise QB. That doesn't get your number retired. For us to even have 3 guys in 25 years who legitimately deserve retired numbers (and I don't need to explain 19) is mind blowing. The Packers have been around for over 100 years, and they've only retired 6. There are only 99 available jersey numbers for a team to start with - you've got to be extremely selective in permanently removing one.
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05-20-2021, 01:43 PM #56
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05-20-2021, 01:46 PM #57Pro Bowl Poster
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I'm not buying that argument because Flacco played the qb position. This elevates him over other historic players for the Ravens. Also with the jersey rule change, you now just added jersey #s 1-19 in the mix for players other than WRs and QBs. So you can be more selective but no over board. The issue is the ravens and the raven fans elevated other players over the QB position because it was so long until the ravens actually got a franchise QB. Our best QB should be on the mount Rushmore of ravens players. But I guarantee most people mount Rushmore will consist of Lewis, Reed, Odgen, Suggs, Yanda. You talking about 3 defensive players and two olinemen. No qb no skill players. I just think this is because of the Lamar jackson effect. We went from Flacco to Lamar. Which is a great transition. But we completely forgot it took 12-13 years to draft Flacco and another 4 years after that to make us realize he was a franchise qb. With all that said the Ravens should put a lil more respect on Flacco number.
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05-20-2021, 03:31 PM #58Pro Bowl Poster
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You could also view that question as "Did you change the game?" Also, any talk of the Ravens retiring a number is obviously going to suffer from recency bias - we're not that old of a franchise! Ray, Ed, and JO deserve it because they made the team what it is. Yanda shouldn't have his retired, otherwise you start running into the question of why not retire everyone's number? The question, by it's nature, is going to be subjective no matter what you do.
Statistically, Ray did things that no one has done before. He was a 2-time defensive MVP in two different defensive systems (3/4, 4/3). A Super Bowl MVP, and a ridiculously long career at a position that historically punishes players' bodies. Subjectively and objectively, he's on that very short list.
Reed put the fear of God into Tom Brady and Bill Belichick every time they lined up against him. That might be subjective, but he was the one player that Brady openly admitted made them change their game plans. Then there's his productivity with the ball in his hands, where I got to watch him run it back the length of the field - TWICE! I remember celebrating the first one as he hit the 20 yard line - I was in the bleachers right behind him when he picked it off, and saw nothing but daylight between him and the goal line. Everyone knew that was TD as soon as he took off with it. No one else in the history of the league gambled *and won* the way he did.
Ogden had coaches of Hall of Fame linemen telling them "Well, good luck!" Sure, that in itself is subjective. In his entire career, he had one bad game against one Hall of Fame DE.
Flacco benefits by being the first competent QB we had as a franchise. Yes, his 2012 run was other-worldly. Yes, he had some great games after that. He's not Hall of Fame material, and even by the loosest subjective argument, you're not retiring the number of a guy who's not in the Hall. He belongs in the Ring of Honor. That's as far as his career got him.
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05-20-2021, 03:33 PM #59Pro Bowl Poster
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05-20-2021, 03:43 PM #60Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Hollywood switched to #5
I dont recall any NFL team retiring a player number lately. I know the bears got 14 retired numbers. They been making out ok. But teams do unofficially retire numbers. For example, the cowboys haven't officially retired any numbers but numbers like 12, 8, 22 won't be worn anytime soon.
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