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05-21-2021, 12:00 PM #25
Re: Extraterrestrial Sightings
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I used to think that way, where science seemed counterintuitive to religion (I'm a creationist as well). Then I found that more studying increased my faith rather than having the opposite effect. When I look at the intricate design our own respiratory system, and how everything must work in sync for something as simple as drawing a breath, I see intelligent design as a greater probability than random chance. The second law of thermodynamics speaks to the natural tendency of any isolated system to degenerate into a more disordered state, not the other way around.
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Re: Extraterrestrial Sightings
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05-21-2021, 01:34 PM #28Hall Of Fame Poster
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05-21-2021, 02:31 PM #29Hall Of Fame Poster
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So do the aliens call us aliens or do they call us human?
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05-21-2021, 02:51 PM #30Hall Of Fame Poster
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05-21-2021, 09:48 PM #31
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05-21-2021, 09:57 PM #32
Re: Extraterrestrial Sightings
This is old news actually, but the odds of another earth like planet (one that could sustain intelligent life) are so small that ours shouldn't exist. There was a book published in 1988 called "The Anthropic Cosmological Principle" which goes through much of the requirements for intelligent life and how likely the needs would come together on a planet by chance. That is 33 years old. Since then we have found the life-requiring constraints considerably more so.
The book also covers evolution (their point not being mine) and they found 10 different steps in single cell to human evolution that the odds of any of them, much less all 10, would occur that none should happen in the normal life span of our sun. If you believe we evolved by chance then you would also happen to believe that there is almost no chance life would have evolved faster elsewhere given our evolution required at least 10 different miracles.
If you know me you know my view on the matter. Luck had nothing to do with it.
By the way, all of the science I use is accepted science and not science some Christians use in an attempt to prove the earth is 6,000 years old.
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05-21-2021, 09:59 PM #33
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No scientist of note would take issue with the science and math I use. As I just noted in the previous post I use science that is accepted by a large majority of physicists, cosmologists, and astronomers.
There does however also exist a group of scientists and mathematicians that simply feel that our knowledge and understanding of how things work is so limited that we are not yet qualified to discuss in those terms. So it is simply a matter of Hubris vs humility.
I believe you and I both fit into the second category, and there are plenty of legitimate scientists that also ascribe to that theory. Personally, I find the Hubris of today’s scientists insufferable. On a personal level that may not be the case, but at the institutional level as reported in the mass media, that is absolutely the case. Newton thought he had it all figured out until Einstein Proved he missed a major variable in his equations. I have no doubt that eventually someone will do the same for Einstein and it will again further our understanding of the Universe. The fact that the Micro and the Macro are currently incompatible simply means that we as of yet lack the understanding to tie them together.Last edited by Greg; 05-21-2021 at 10:56 PM.
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05-21-2021, 10:42 PM #34
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A life that can sustain a brain would be constrained to the same environment, or something close, as we need. And life is almost certainly constrained to being carbon based. No other element comes close, nowhere near close, to forming the myriad of molecules that carbon does. And if you want DNA, proteins, and all of the other kinds of things replicating life requires you need all of those molecules.
Last edited by Greg; 05-21-2021 at 10:58 PM.
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05-21-2021, 10:52 PM #35
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05-22-2021, 03:13 AM #36
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Again, based on our current understanding of science. Everything you are suggesting is accepted science and math, I am not trying to paint it as fringe lunatic realm stuff. We are simply spiking the football after the first play of the game we ran up the middle for a yard.
Silicon based life is expected to be possible.
I believe it to be myopic to claim that for a planet to be able to sustain life, it must be able to sustain US. The more we learn as a human race the more we realize we know almost nothing.
If It takes a trillion consecutive rolls of snake eyes to meet certain conditions, then sure, you are correct the chance is incredibly small, but when given infinite dice rolls it not only will happen, it will happen infinite times.
The chances we come across intelligent alien beings is certainly quite small, it is, however, not zero.
We don’t know what we don’t know.
Is spacetime infinite because it is expanding or because it’s always been infinite?
The more I look into dark matter, dark energy, black holes, white holes, quantum physics etc the less intelligent I think we are as a species.
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