Post-draft view on Orlando Brown Trade

**Purpleglasses** · 05-03-2021, 09:10 PM

Kansas City gets:
OT Orlando Brown
Nick Bolton second-round pick (No. 58)
2022 6th round pick.

Baltimore gets:
Oweh- first-round pick (No. 31)
Cleveland- third-round pick (No. 94)
Wallace fourth-round pick (No. 131)
2022 fifth-round pick

Obviously need to see production from all players before coming to ultimate conclusion, however, I actually feel pretty good about this trade now that we have a good view of most players. Sure it would have been nice to find OBJ's replacement out of this trade but there's definitely serious potential out of these 3 players drafted so far. Especially considering EDC would have taken Cleveland with the 2nd round pick we traded away.

Curious what you all think?

**Shrubbs** · 05-03-2021, 09:12 PM

It’s illuminating to see it all laid out like that. Keep in mind it’s Brown Jr. for only one year guaranteed.

**sflegend89** · 05-03-2021, 09:17 PM

Oweh/Cleveland will forever be linked to this trade, but I think they're going to be good ones, Wade might even end up being a very good nickel for us

The other factor is if the Chiefs are able to re-sign Orlando, if he becomes a 1 year rental that's another layer of this trade. I don't think he's going to give them a contenders discount after the season, he's going to push hard for every penny. They're going to end up paying him 20M a year or losing him to FA. Oweh will be extremely affordable and have a 5th year option, Cleveland could be a starting Guard for a cheap 4 years as well.

**RavensFanMania** · 05-04-2021, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by sflegend89

Oweh/Cleveland will forever be linked to this trade, but I think they're going to be good ones, Wade might even end up being a very good nickel for us

The other factor is if the Chiefs are able to re-sign Orlando, if he becomes a 1 year rental that's another layer of this trade. I don't think he's going to give them a contenders discount after the season, he's going to push hard for every penny. They're going to end up paying him 20M a year or losing him to FA. Oweh will be extremely affordable and have a 5th year option, Cleveland could be a starting Guard for a cheap 4 years as well.

they will probably franchise him

**Doctor** · 05-03-2021, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Purpleglasses

Ravens Receive:
Oweh (1st round)
Cleveland (3rd round)
Wade (5th round)
2022 4th round pick
2022 5th round pick

Cheifs Receive:
Orlando Brown Jr
Nick Bolton (2nd Round)
2022 6th round pick

I don't believe this is correct.

There was only one 5th round pick involved (2021 - used to get Wade). The only pick we received in next year's draft is the Chiefs 4th round selection.

**RavensFanMania** · 05-04-2021, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Doctor

I don't believe this is correct.

There was only one 5th round pick involved (2021 - used to get Wade). The only pick we received in next year's draft is the Chiefs 4th round selection.

this is correct. The only 5th rounder was 2022. We received the Chiefs 2022 5th rounder in exchange for our 2022 6th rounder.

**Shas** · 05-03-2021, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Doctor

I don't believe this is correct.

There was only one 5th round pick involved (2021 - used to get Wade). The only pick we received in next year's draft is the Chiefs 4th round selection.

Actually the 2022 fourth rounder isn’t part of the deal. They swapped a sixth and fifth next year. So if you delete the 2020 fourth rounder the rest is correct

**Purpleglasses** · 05-03-2021, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Shas

Actually the 2022 fourth rounder isn’t part of the deal. They swapped a sixth and fifth next year. So if you delete the 2020 fourth rounder the rest is correct

I believe I corrected it. Thanks for heads up

**alien bird** · 05-03-2021, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Purpleglasses

I believe I corrected it. Thanks for heads up

Originally Posted by Purpleglasses

Kansas City gets:
OT Orlando Brown
Nick Bolton second-round pick (No. 58)
2022 6th round pick.

Baltimore gets:
Oweh- first-round pick (No. 31)
Cleveland- third-round pick (No. 94)
Wallace fourth-round pick (No. 131)
2022 fifth-round pick

Yeah, that's still not right. The 131st pick (4th round, Wallace) was Baltimore's pick all along - they did not get that in any trade. They got the 136th pick from Kansas City in the Orlando Brown trade, which they flipped (along with the 210th pick) to Arizona for the 160th pick (which they used on Shaun Wade), plus the Cardinals 4th rounder next year.

Once you start going down the rabbit hole of where the picks are traded multiple times, it's hard to tell exactly what they got from the trade alone. For example, in giving up the 136th and 210th pick to Arizona, do you then count Shaun Wade as part of the haul from the Orlando Brown trade or not? He wasn't picked with a Kansas City pick, but the Chiefs' pick was instrumental in getting the pick they used to get him. If you do, do you also count the player the Ravens didn't get at 210, since they traded that away in part to get #160?

**Ravenswintitle** · 05-04-2021, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by alien bird

Yeah, that's still not right. The 131st pick (4th round, Wallace) was Baltimore's pick all along - they did not get that in any trade. They got the 136th pick from Kansas City in the Orlando Brown trade, which they flipped (along with the 210th pick) to Arizona for the 160th pick (which they used on Shaun Wade), plus the Cardinals 4th rounder next year.

Once you start going down the rabbit hole of where the picks are traded multiple times, it's hard to tell exactly what they got from the trade alone. For example, in giving up the 136th and 210th pick to Arizona, do you then count Shaun Wade as part of the haul from the Orlando Brown trade or not? He wasn't picked with a Kansas City pick, but the Chiefs' pick was instrumental in getting the pick they used to get him. If you do, do you also count the player the Ravens didn't get at 210, since they traded that away in part to get #160?

yes explained here - can't really can't those other picks

**RavensFanMania** · 05-04-2021, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by alien bird

Yeah, that's still not right. The 131st pick (4th round, Wallace) was Baltimore's pick all along - they did not get that in any trade. They got the 136th pick from Kansas City in the Orlando Brown trade, which they flipped (along with the 210th pick) to Arizona for the 160th pick (which they used on Shaun Wade), plus the Cardinals 4th rounder next year.

Once you start going down the rabbit hole of where the picks are traded multiple times, it's hard to tell exactly what they got from the trade alone. For example, in giving up the 136th and 210th pick to Arizona, do you then count Shaun Wade as part of the haul from the Orlando Brown trade or not? He wasn't picked with a Kansas City pick, but the Chiefs' pick was instrumental in getting the pick they used to get him. If you do, do you also count the player the Ravens didn't get at 210, since they traded that away in part to get #160?

yes, you do count Shaun Wade. Kind of like how The people evaluating the Dolphins Tunsil trade have shown how many first round picks have come out of the trade. So we did get Shaun Wade from this trade, but we also will draft another player in the 2022 draft. Wade has a high ceiling and a low floor, imo.

**moose10101** · 05-03-2021, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Shas

Actually the 2022 fourth rounder isn’t part of the deal. They swapped a sixth and fifth next year. So if you delete the 2020 fourth rounder the rest is correct

But they got the 2022 4th rounder from the Cardinals, and the Cards’ 5th this year (used for Wade), in exchange for this year’s 4th from the Chiefs (#136) and this year’s 6th.