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    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    So if 50.1% of the employees vote for a union 100% must join and every single person getting hired after that must also join.

    How about I don't join the union and negotiate my own wages and benefits? Suppose I get 97% of what the union does but still come out ahead because the union leeches don't suckle at my paycheck?
    First it would have to be 51%. And unless you live and work in a RTW , yes. If said company votes to collective bargain with Union representation by a 51% vote ...any employees and all future employees will have to join.


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    And to address your guys phobia of Dues and what the Union takes out of your check ...I laid it out in my last post to Darb once he actually answered my question about Health Care cost.

    That was/is a legit question that Iíd like to know. Iíve never had to pay for insurance. But you guys donít actually read any post that doesnít serve your agenda and you assume and flat make up shit that people are asking.

    Iíll give Vlad one thing. He said itís a big circle jerk and neither side will concede. Heís 100%. Mostly because you guys donít wanna have a discussion and hear the other side. You just want to stick your views and thatís it.

    Works for me. End of the day none of you guys pays my bills and Iím not sleeping with any of you. So ....Beers to ya.


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    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdad24 View Post
    First it would have to be 51%. And unless you live and work in a RTW , yes. If said company votes to collective bargain with Union representation by a 51% vote ...any employees and all future employees will have to join.


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    Why should I be bound by a vote that happened before I was even born, possibly? If they voted annually for the union then maybe.

    I just like individual liberty to ever buy into the government forcing anything onto any individual.





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    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Why should I be bound by a vote that happened before I was even born, possibly? If they voted annually for the union then maybe.

    I just like individual liberty to ever buy into the government forcing anything onto any individual.
    This is the part you guys arenít hearing or understanding.

    The Union workforce in this country ...not counting the Federal Gubment and Post Office ...is about 3%!!

    Even in At Will states itís not like itís the only game in town. If you wanna work for say ....GM in a non RTW state ...you KNOW their Union before you go! If you wanna build cars and donít wanna be Union ...work for Toyota or Subaru or any other Foreign Car comp here. Or move to a RTW or vote for your state to be RTW.

    No one is forced to join a Union. Period. I donít know where this idea has ever came from. Maybe back in the 1940ís with the Teamsters. But not in the past 60 yrs has anyone been Strong armed into a Union. Itís been the exact opposite. Even in At Will states like Md ...Teachers donít have to join the Union.


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    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdad24 View Post
    This is the part you guys aren’t hearing or understanding.

    The Union workforce in this country ...not counting the Federal Gubment and Post Office ...is about 3%!!

    Even in At Will states it’s not like it’s the only game in town. If you wanna work for say ....GM in a non RTW state ...you KNOW their Union before you go! If you wanna build cars and don’t wanna be Union ...work for Toyota or Subaru or any other Foreign Car comp here. Or move to a RTW or vote for your state to be RTW.

    No one is forced to join a Union. Period. I don’t know where this idea has ever came from. Maybe back in the 1940’s with the Teamsters. But not in the past 60 yrs has anyone been Strong armed into a Union. It’s been the exact opposite. Even in At Will states like Md ...Teachers don’t have to join the Union.


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    So if a union "lays claim" to a business screw everybody else. This is what you don't get: LIBERTY!





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    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    And hears another thing. You guys keep insisting on the ďLibertyĒ or Freedom to negotiate for your own package in these jobs.

    Thatís not how it works anywhere in a ďfactory ď or assembly line type job. Toyota is Non-Union ...all the people on their assembly line have a package that they all make. Period. You can earn performance bonuses, and you may be considered for promotion for extra effort ...but all the line guys basically make the same money. Itís like that in factory type work. Same with like Fed Up. You donít have to work for UPS and be a Teamster ..you can buy your own route from Fed Up. Make what you can. But there is a ceiling as to what they will pay you.

    Even in construction...in a Open Shop you can walk in and negotiate your best deal...but if their ( company) average guy makes say ...$25 hr ...you may get $30. But they are gonna be on you nonstop to earn that $30. And you better have tight lips cause if the other guys find out you make $4+ more than them ...Good luck with getting them to help you out or work for you.


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    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    So if a union "lays claim" to a business screw everybody else. This is what you don't get: LIBERTY!
    Iím not catching what youíre trying to say. I donít think there is a business in the US that is totally Union. There is always a non Union option.


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  8. #116

    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdad24 View Post
    Ok. Great. Thanks for actually answering.
    Now obvious there arenít any Professor Unions. But I was curious about the cost of benefits since Iíve never paid for them.

    So you pay $500 a month. Iím guessing after taxes?
    Now typical Union dues are 2 1/2 times your hourly rate a week.
    So if your hourly is $30 ..weekly dues out of your check is $45. 45* 4= $180? Usually there is a monthly International Dues charge ...around $50. So $180+ $50= $230. Total a month for dues. Before taxes by the way.

    Thatís what it ďcost ď a Union employee a month for Benefits. Thatís health, vision, dental, pension, annuity ,and whatever else is in their package. Thereís no extra outa pocket for any of them. The only benefit members pay for outa pocket is a 401K because itís voluntary.

    So using what you pay a month as the average ...a Union member pays half and gets more. So if this is a job to job comparison ...factory A vs factory B since the person has chosen to work at a Unionized shop ...they arnt just getting the better pay , but the better benefits also. Why shouldnít they pay for them? You pay for yours. Why should these people be any different than you?


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    You honestly think this is a salient point? Just at a personal level 2 1/2 times my hourly rate at 40 hours a week would come out much higher than what I pay for family insurance.

    Now let's just assume a person doesn't need insurance through their job. Maybe their spouse already has great benefits. Now they're tossing $230 away a month if we follow your logic.

    You're basing your entire argument on one flawed example without being able to tell me what benefits a business typically offers their employees.


    Now answer my question. If unions are so great, why do you have to force people to join them?
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  9. #117

    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdad24 View Post
    This is the part you guys aren’t hearing or understanding.

    The Union workforce in this country ...not counting the Federal Gubment and Post Office ...is about 3%!!

    Even in At Will states it’s not like it’s the only game in town. If you wanna work for say ....GM in a non RTW state ...you KNOW their Union before you go! If you wanna build cars and don’t wanna be Union ...work for Toyota or Subaru or any other Foreign Car comp here. Or move to a RTW or vote for your state to be RTW.

    No one is forced to join a Union. Period. I don’t know where this idea has ever came from. Maybe back in the 1940’s with the Teamsters. But not in the past 60 yrs has anyone been Strong armed into a Union. It’s been the exact opposite. Even in At Will states like Md ...Teachers don’t have to join the Union.


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    They are forced to join a union. HB-5 forced people to join unions. The PRO-Act is trying to take that law national.
    http://i4aw.org/wp-content/uploads/2...d-2.5.21-3.pdf
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  10. #118

    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdad24 View Post
    Ok. Great. Thanks for actually answering.
    Now obvious there arenít any Professor Unions. But I was curious about the cost of benefits since Iíve never paid for them.

    So you pay $500 a month. Iím guessing after taxes?
    Now typical Union dues are 2 1/2 times your hourly rate a week.
    So if your hourly is $30 ..weekly dues out of your check is $45. 45* 4= $180? Usually there is a monthly International Dues charge ...around $50. So $180+ $50= $230. Total a month for dues. Before taxes by the way.

    Thatís what it ďcost ď a Union employee a month for Benefits. Thatís health, vision, dental, pension, annuity ,and whatever else is in their package. Thereís no extra outa pocket for any of them. The only benefit members pay for outa pocket is a 401K because itís voluntary.

    So using what you pay a month as the average ...a Union member pays half and gets more. So if this is a job to job comparison ...factory A vs factory B since the person has chosen to work at a Unionized shop ...they arnt just getting the better pay , but the better benefits also. Why shouldnít they pay for them? You pay for yours. Why should these people be any different than you?


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    2.5 or 1.5? You say one and do the math on the other?


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  11. #119

    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    So if 50.1% of the employees vote for a union 100% must join and every single person getting hired after that must also join.

    How about I don't join the union and negotiate my own wages and benefits? Suppose I get 97% of what the union does but still come out ahead because the union leeches don't suckle at my paycheck?
    You wont come out ahead because the union folk wont let you. They will make your job harder and generally miserable if you dobt play ball with them





  12. #120

    Re: Democrats trying to socially engineer the suburbs with "Infrastructure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdad24 View Post
    Ok. Great. Thanks for actually answering.
    Now obvious there arenít any Professor Unions. But I was curious about the cost of benefits since Iíve never paid for them.

    So you pay $500 a month. Iím guessing after taxes?
    Now typical Union dues are 2 1/2 times your hourly rate a week.
    So if your hourly is $30 ..weekly dues out of your check is $45. 45* 4= $180? Usually there is a monthly International Dues charge ...around $50. So $180+ $50= $230. Total a month for dues. Before taxes by the way.

    Thatís what it ďcost ď a Union employee a month for Benefits. Thatís health, vision, dental, pension, annuity ,and whatever else is in their package. Thereís no extra outa pocket for any of them. The only benefit members pay for outa pocket is a 401K because itís voluntary.

    So using what you pay a month as the average ...a Union member pays half and gets more. So if this is a job to job comparison ...factory A vs factory B since the person has chosen to work at a Unionized shop ...they arnt just getting the better pay , but the better benefits also. Why shouldnít they pay for them? You pay for yours. Why should these people be any different than you?


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    Do you really think union memebers insurance plans are paid for with union dues? They are paid by the employer.





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