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  1. #25
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    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    The WR need is somewhere between "red herring" and "the answer to everything", which seems like common sense when you read it, but people on the interwebs like to take one side or the other and ride the opinion until its wheels fall off.

    I agree with most that the OL (particularly with the Orlando Brown trade coming) and EDGE/DL are the most pressing needs. But the WR room can still very much use an upgrade at the X position. TE depth is a need. And S depth is a major concern behind the starters.

    What we can clearly identify as not-needs as of today are QB, RB, LB, CB, and K.





  2. #26

    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    Quote Originally Posted by WNCRavensFan View Post
    The WR need is somewhere between "red herring" and "the answer to everything", which seems like common sense when you read it, but people on the interwebs like to take one side or the other and ride the opinion until its wheels fall off.

    I agree with most that the OL (particularly with the Orlando Brown trade coming) and EDGE/DL are the most pressing needs. But the WR room can still very much use an upgrade at the X position. TE depth is a need. And S depth is a major concern behind the starters.

    What we can clearly identify as not-needs as of today are QB, RB, LB, CB, and K.
    This. It's neither a red herring nor an extreme need, it's somewhere in the middle





  3. #27

    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    Quote Originally Posted by John Reglarperson View Post
    Why try to copy the TOM BRADY offense when what makes it work so great is TOM BRADY?

    You can replace Mahomes for Brady.

    When you have the best running QB, you make the best run offense that the NFL has ever seen.

    Teams with Tom Brady (or Mahomes) should give those best passers the offense that makes them the best.

    When it comes to defense, it isn't so clear cut. The Chiefs oline was injured and the Bucs have a good dline. That helped the Bucs win.
    My point was never to copy TB lol, the first paragraph is facetious in order to point out a contradicting line of thought in the second paragraph

    For the record nobody is saying to abandon being a run first offense, we're simply saying to become a more efficient/harmonious passing offense and be able to lean on it more than we have in the past. Lamar's mobility is what makes him special, but that mobility is also a factor every time he drops back to pass. Look at the amount of times he's able to scurry for 8+ yds on a broken pass play and safely dip out of bounds or extend for a big improv pass play with his speed. The better your OL/receiving weapons are the more that opens up.

    The designed running is where he takes most of his bad hits because he loses that element of surprise if the defense reacts to the ball fake/mesh point correctly and Lamar rarely bails or gives himself up on designed runs, just not his mentality. People think this dream of Lamar running 150+ times for 1000+ yds will last forever. It won't, you need to start evolving the offense to be safer and stop putting RB1 miles on your franchise QB.

    We talk about how RB's have the shortest shelf life in the NFL... Lamar is being run like a starting RB in terms of volume and he ain't made out titanium, this philosophy of using the Ferrari as a daily driver will bite you sooner rather than later.





  4. #28

    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    Quote Originally Posted by WNCRavensFan View Post
    The WR need is somewhere between "red herring" and "the answer to everything", which seems like common sense when you read it, but people on the interwebs like to take one side or the other and ride the opinion until its wheels fall off.

    I agree with most that the OL (particularly with the Orlando Brown trade coming) and EDGE/DL are the most pressing needs. But the WR room can still very much use an upgrade at the X position. TE depth is a need. And S depth is a major concern behind the starters.

    What we can clearly identify as not-needs as of today are QB, RB, LB, CB, and K.
    This is clearly the right answer.

    It seems like some Ravens fans have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to receivers. When the O Line is over-matched in the playoffs, they see it as a need. When the main edge rushers become free agents, they see it as a need. But when the WR group is one of the worst in the league, it's not a problem. It's a red herring.

    It's funny because a lot of those same fans talk about how good the team's only ever bona fide top WR, Anquan Boldin, was and how letting him go was a massive mistake.

    Maybe fans who only watch the Ravens are so unused to having WR talent that they are blind to its absence. They have nothing to compare it to, unlike OLB or the O Line.





  5. #29

    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    Our o line is the least of concerns imo, we have returning players and we constantly build with mid round picks.

    Of all the positions to worry about o line is not one.

    If you need elite pro bowl lineman at every position on the line, you scheme or players aren't very good.

    Pass rush is by far the biggest issue





  6. #30

    the need for a WR is a red herring

    Quote Originally Posted by QtR Nevermore View Post
    This is clearly the right answer.

    It seems like some Ravens fans have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to receivers. When the O Line is over-matched in the playoffs, they see it as a need. When the main edge rushers become free agents, they see it as a need. But when the WR group is one of the worst in the league, it's not a problem. It's a red herring.

    It's funny because a lot of those same fans talk about how good the team's only ever bona fide top WR, Anquan Boldin, was and how letting him go was a massive mistake.

    Maybe fans who only watch the Ravens are so unused to having WR talent that they are blind to its absence. They have nothing to compare it to, unlike OLB or the O Line.
    He averaged 62 catches for 845 and under 5TD’s per year:
    52/676, 8.5- is a Hollywood. Arguably better already.


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    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    He averaged 62 catches for 845 and under 5TD’s per year:
    52/676, 8.5- is a Hollywood. Arugula oh better already.


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    Yeah, that SB run definitely inflated people's opinion of Anquan. And I love the guy. And we don't win the Lombardi without him stepping up. BUT. He used to completely disappear for games. He was not the most reliable catcher of the ball while he was here, including a HUGE TD drop against Pitt in the 2010 divisional round that probably cost us that game.

    That said, he was a 1,000 yard receiver before he got here, and a 1,000 yard receiver after he left. The Ravens offense has never maximized its receivers' talents -- at least not in the quantitative stats.
    "Chin up, chest out."





  8. #32

    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    So...make the defense so good they stop mahomes from scoring while actually scoring themselves? And make the Oline so good Lamar doesn’t even have to throw? Best defense of all time and best Oline of all time!





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    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    I'd actually like to debate the use of red herring here as compared to bated breath

    World Domination 3 Points at a Time!





  10. #34

    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    Let's just be happy that OT, WR, and Pass Rusher are all probably in the top 5 best positional groups in the draft in a draft that the Ravens may have 2 1sts a 2nd and a 3rd.





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    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    Quote Originally Posted by Roll Tide View Post
    Your dreaming
    Lol, Lamar’s 2019 season wasn’t a dream. I guess for *you* Lamar leading the league in TD passes and winning the MVP and having the highest QBR was prolly a nightmare





  12. #36

    Re: the need for a WR is a red herring

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Arugula oh better already.
    Of course.





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