War Mongers Gonna War Monger

[LittleG]

I keep telling y'all progressives have NO power. Biden is a corporatist warmonger through and through. No progressive agenda has come close to passing.

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[blueridgemtnman]

That doesn't make sense bro. People all across the aisle support legalization of weed. Various people all across the aisle support no war. People all across the aisle supported the distribution of $2,000 checks. Just because Trump and a couple of other conservatives supported the checks, does it mean they are now socialists? Or does it mean they supported a common-sense policy that happened to fall in with people in another party?

They all support it because they all want to get re-elected and are all bu$y prostituting themselves to make it happen. There was a time that lots of Republicans were fiscal conservatives and cared about out Nation's debt and the deficit and could even campaign on those things to get elected. Once the Dems (and later Progressives) started promising more free shit to the masses and saw it translate into votes (votes equal power), all bets were off and the Republicans threw up their collective arms and now say, what the hell. It's now a free for all and damn near no politician or even voter gives a rat's ass about any of that stuff. It's now "what's in it for me"? Look at the recent Georgia Senate races. Both candidates (along w/Biden) flat out promised voters a $2,000 check. I rest my case.

[blah3]

And you also need to know that there is a very very very large faction of Democratic voters who could care less about working-class economic interests. It's literally why Biden beat Bernie. They love the identity politics and the woke performative stuff by Pelosi and Kamala, and could care less about economic stuff. It's exactly why the swamp still has power.

You know the woke stuff is progressive. State mandated policy of individual mores

[bandc]

You know the woke stuff is progressive. State mandated policy of individual mores

The woke stuff is NOT progressive. It is liberal! I guarantee you anyone who runs as a progressive will NEVER lead with woke/identity politics. I promise you. Let me ask you, who was the one talking busing and race and calling Biden racist in stage? Kamala Harris! She is the prime example of a liberal and she did terrible during the primaries.

What do you Bernie for? Healthcare!
What do you know Yang for? UBI!
What do you know Tulsi for? War!

That is LITERALLY all they ever talk about. They never mention their race or identity as a reason to vote for them. NEVER. They campaign squarely on the policies they care deeply about. There is a massive difference between liberals and progressives.

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[bandc]

They all support it because they all want to get re-elected and are all bu$y prostituting themselves to make it happen. There was a time that lots of Republicans were fiscal conservatives and cared about out Nation's debt and the deficit and could even campaign on those things to get elected. Once the Dems (and later Progressives) started promising more free shit to the masses and saw it translate into votes (votes equal power), all bets were off and the Republicans threw up their collective arms and now say, what the hell. It's now a free for all and damn near no politician or even voter gives a rat's ass about any of that stuff. It's now "what's in it for me"? Look at the recent Georgia Senate races. Both candidates (along w/Biden) flat out promised voters a $2,000 check. I rest my case.

Exactly which is why I've made it clear time and time again that I hate the establishment sector of the democratic party. They are establishment Republicans who do absolutely nothing to actually help people. They are masters of putting on fake performative woke foolishness in order to appease the left and hide the fact that they don't actually help people.

I've railed against centrist dems on here from day one. They're phony as hell.

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[BuryRaven]

Exactly which is why I've made it clear time and time again that I hate the establishment sector of the democratic party. They are establishment Republicans who do absolutely nothing to actually help people. They are masters of putting on fake performative woke foolishness in order to appease the left and hide the fact that they don't actually help people.

I've railed against centrist dems on here from day one. They're phony as hell.

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You seem to recognize the fake woke agenda is based on appearance with no real desire to do anything other than have a positive optics moment.

What confuses me is that when a government agency or program fails, the answer you seem to look towards is more government involvement.

Take ACA for example, I see you have qualms with it, but it was passed when the DNC had overwhelming power at the WH and the Senate/House level. Yet, you claim this to be a republican issue from the heritage foundation (id love to read on that if possible btw), and the answer is simply more federal involvement in healthcare...

Prices rise exponentially as the backer is greater in value, this is how the mortgage market went out of wack in the late 90's. This is why student loans have risen in historic fashion since 2010 and still before that.

Perhaps a new perspective as to why things are the way they are is needed other than we need more gov't involvement.

Food for thought and all.

[Ortizer]

Because Biden IS A REPUBLICAN. He's been a moderate republican his entire career. He's tough on crime, he's always always always threatened to cut social programs, he's supported every single war, he's always been against weed legalization, he was against busing, he was basically for segregation, etc.... the list goes on and on. Joe Biden is a Republican!

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Is that why weed isn't legal yet?

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[bandc]

Is that why weed isn't legal yet?

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I mean as president you could easily deschedule weed, but he hasn't done it yet.

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[bandc]

You seem to recognize the fake woke agenda is based on appearance with no real desire to do anything other than have a positive optics moment.

What confuses me is that when a government agency or program fails, the answer you seem to look towards is more government involvement.

Take ACA for example, I see you have qualms with it, but it was passed when the DNC had overwhelming power at the WH and the Senate/House level. Yet, you claim this to be a republican issue from the heritage foundation (id love to read on that if possible btw), and the answer is simply more federal involvement in healthcare...

Prices rise exponentially as the backer is greater in value, this is how the mortgage market went out of wack in the late 90's. This is why student loans have risen in historic fashion since 2010 and still before that.

Perhaps a new perspective as to why things are the way they are is needed other than we need more gov't involvement.

Food for thought and all.

The problem is half measures. I'll give an example. The current social security net is craziness and a lot of foolishness. There are way too many loopholes and a lot of people need to be employed to do it.

Why not just go all the way with UBI? It helps more people. It impacts local communities way more and you significantly trim the amount of people needed to get it done.

Same with Universal Healthcare. The ACA helps people but it is a mess. M4A saves trillions of dollars in the long run (https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...ll-saves-money) and everyone gets the help needed. I believe it's close to consensus that m4a would save money.

Also the ACA does come from the heritage foundation. Individual mandate and all: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...h=7746e7db6187

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[jonboy79]

The problem is half measures. I'll give an example. The current social security net is craziness and a lot of foolishness. There are way too many loopholes and a lot of people need to be employed to do it.

Why not just go all the way with UBI? It helps more people. It impacts local communities way more and you significantly trim the amount of people needed to get it done.

Same with Universal Healthcare. The ACA helps people but it is a mess. M4A saves trillions of dollars in the long run (https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...ll-saves-money) and everyone gets the help needed. I believe it's close to consensus that m4a would save money.

Also the ACA does come from the heritage foundation. Individual mandate and all: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...h=7746e7db6187

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The problem with these programs IS the governmental involvement and bloated ness.

Government help the few at the expense of the many. ACA destroyed healthcare for the middle class to help a few at the bottom that didn’t pay for their own healthcare before and still don’t, so bad for most, meh for those it aimed to help. The only actual good thing was the pre-existing conditions and that could have been done separately.

The problem was, that it was intentionally designed to fail to force M4A and it will likely, eventually succeed in forcing that hand as it destroys the entire industry from the inside out first.


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[BuryRaven]

The problem is half measures. I'll give an example. The current social security net is craziness and a lot of foolishness. There are way too many loopholes and a lot of people need to be employed to do it.

Why not just go all the way with UBI? It helps more people. It impacts local communities way more and you significantly trim the amount of people needed to get it done.

Same with Universal Healthcare. The ACA helps people but it is a mess. M4A saves trillions of dollars in the long run (https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...ll-saves-money) and everyone gets the help needed. I believe it's close to consensus that m4a would save money.

Also the ACA does come from the heritage foundation. Individual mandate and all: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...h=7746e7db6187

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There has never been a govt system that saves money. This per the link and always is based on escalating taxation on the populace to recover the losses.

There is zero incentive for fed systems to save money.

I'm still surprised this is a new message to some.

[Ortizer]

They all support it because they all want to get re-elected and are all bu$y prostituting themselves to make it happen. There was a time that lots of Republicans were fiscal conservatives and cared about out Nation's debt and the deficit and could even campaign on those things to get elected. Once the Dems (and later Progressives) started promising more free shit to the masses and saw it translate into votes (votes equal power), all bets were off and the Republicans threw up their collective arms and now say, what the hell. It's now a free for all and damn near no politician or even voter gives a rat's ass about any of that stuff. It's now "what's in it for me"? Look at the recent Georgia Senate races. Both candidates (along w/Biden) flat out promised voters a $2,000 check. I rest my case.

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