War Mongers Gonna War Monger

**blah3** · 02-26-2021, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by bandc

Title 9 is a LIBERAL policy, not a progressive one.

And for the last time, the ACA came from REPUBLICANS. It literally was drawn up in a republican think tank and was approved and pushed by Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney well before Obama co-opted it as a "compromise." The ACA is not part of a progressive agenda at all. Progressives want M4A. Full Stop.

I dont see how expanding trans gender rights is not progressive.
Also the ACA was simply a stepping stone to get to full on govt medicine. It also received absolutely zero republican votes

**bandc** · 02-26-2021, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

I dont see how expanding trans gender rights is not progressive.
Also the ACA was simply a stepping stone to get to full on govt medicine. It also received absolutely zero republican votes

There is a difference between liberal and progressive agendas. For example, you won't find Bernie, Yang, Tulsi, or even AOC for that matter campaigning on Trans rights. Their focus has always been healthcare, wages, war, and environment. I promise you that you won't find them making speeches on liberal agenda policies. There is a big difference.

They didn't vote for it because politics is theatre. Once Obama attached his name to it, they didn't want to give him that win, but the fact remains that the ACA came from Republicans and was approved and pushed by Republicans until Obama co-opted it. Not everyone in the GOP supported it, but Obama literally chose it because it was the compromise that came out of the Heritage Foundation.

**blah3** · 02-26-2021, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by bandc

There is a difference between liberal and progressive agendas. For example, you won't find Bernie, Yang, Tulsi, or even AOC for that matter campaigning on Trans rights. Their focus has always been healthcare, wages, war, and environment. I promise you that you won't find them making speeches on liberal agenda policies. There is a big difference.

They didn't vote for it because politics is theatre. Once Obama attached his name to it, they didn't want to give him that win, but the fact remains that the ACA came from Republicans and was approved and pushed by Republicans until Obama co-opted it. Not everyone in the GOP supported it, but Obama literally chose it because it was the compromise that came out of the Heritage Foundation.

Looks like Bernie does support it
https://berniesanders.com/issues/lgbtq-equality/

Sounds like AOC does too...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...hts-twitch/amp

**CarrollCoRaven** · 02-26-2021, 03:57 PM

Remember when we were told Trump was a loose cannon who would start WW3? I don't have a problem with Biden(yeah right, it was way past his bedtime) showing a little force. Curious to see what happens next. John Bolton is sporting full wood today.

**Willbacker** · 02-26-2021, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by bandc

There is a difference between liberal and progressive agendas. For example, you won't find Bernie, Yang, Tulsi, or even AOC for that matter campaigning on Trans rights. Their focus has always been healthcare, wages, war, and environment. I promise you that you won't find them making speeches on liberal agenda policies. There is a big difference.

They didn't vote for it because politics is theatre. Once Obama attached his name to it, they didn't want to give him that win, but the fact remains that the ACA came from Republicans and was approved and pushed by Republicans until Obama co-opted it. Not everyone in the GOP supported it, but Obama literally chose it because it was the compromise that came out of the Heritage Foundation.

So Yang didn't campaign on trans rights? Your words not mine.

https://2020.yang2020.com/policies/lgbtq-rights/

**Drain Bamage** · 02-26-2021, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by bandc

Because Biden IS A REPUBLICAN. He's been a moderate republican his entire career. He's tough on crime, he's always always always threatened to cut social programs, he's supported every single war, he's always been against weed legalization, he was against busing, he was basically for segregation, etc.... the list goes on and on. Joe Biden is a Republican!

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I could totally see this being the next chant from mainstream media. It was never a Democrat in there to begin with. Whoopsies!

**bandc** · 02-26-2021, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Willbacker

So Yang didn't campaign on trans rights? Your words not mine.

https://2020.yang2020.com/policies/lgbtq-rights/

Yes, he did not run a campaign on this! Is this an obvious, common-sense policy? Yes! Nothing in there is unreasonable at ALL! However, like I said earlier, you won't find speeches on Liberal policies. He ran on a progressive agenda. That's the only reason he got traction. You know darn well, you only heard of him because of UBI. Don't be disingenuous.

Does Tulsi support some liberal policies, Yes! But we all know she ran an anti-war campaign. Don't be dense.

**bandc** · 02-26-2021, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Drain Bamage

I could totally see this being the next chant from mainstream media. It was never a Democrat in there to begin with. Whoopsies!

Obama said himself he is a republican. The "centrists" have always been conservative republicans in this country.

**bandc** · 02-26-2021, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

Looks like Bernie does support it
https://berniesanders.com/issues/lgbtq-equality/

Sounds like AOC does too...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...hts-twitch/amp

Yes, they support it, but first of all, those are common-sense policies. Second of all you know they didn't run on those policies. If they did, they wouldn't have gotten anywhere. AOC didn't become popular because of her views on trans-rights. Berne hasn't worked in congress for decades on trans rights. They support those common-sense policies, but they are loved because they fight tirelessly for working-class economic interests. You know that bro.

**blah3** · 02-26-2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by bandc

Yes, they support it, but first of all, those are common-sense policies. Second of all you know they didn't run on those policies. If they did, they wouldn't have gotten anywhere. AOC didn't become popular because of her views on trans-rights. Berne hasn't worked in congress for decades on trans rights. They support those common-sense policies, but they are loved because they fight tirelessly for working-class economic interests. You know that bro.

Just stop. They supported it, progressives that they are. It wasn’t a centeal campaign theme because on this list of things important to voters, its at the very bottom. Its still a progressive policy

**bandc** · 02-26-2021, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

Just stop. They supported it, progressives that they are. It wasn’t a centeal campaign theme because on this list of things important to voters, its at the very bottom. Its still a progressive policy

That doesn't make sense bro. People all across the aisle support legalization of weed. Various people all across the aisle support no war. People all across the aisle supported the distribution of $2,000 checks. Just because Trump and a couple of other conservatives supported the checks, does it mean they are now socialists? Or does it mean they supported a common-sense policy that happened to fall in with people in another party?

**bandc** · 02-26-2021, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

Just stop. They supported it, progressives that they are. It wasn’t a centeal campaign theme because on this list of things important to voters, its at the very bottom. Its still a progressive policy

And you also need to know that there is a very very very large faction of Democratic voters who could care less about working-class economic interests. It's literally why Biden beat Bernie. They love the identity politics and the woke performative stuff by Pelosi and Kamala, and could care less about economic stuff. It's exactly why the swamp still has power.