Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter

[jonboy79]

It depends on how you define balance.

Defining a balanced offense as 50% passing and 50% running as balanced, and your offense becoming more unbalanced the further you get from that metric makes sense.

Defining a balanced offense in the context of the rest of the league, where you want that ratio of passing to running to be average when compared to the other teams, and your offense becoming unbalanced the further you go towards either extreme also makes sense.

Stop pretending you don’t understand what the other person is talking about and arguing about semantics. When SF is talking about balance he obviously means the latter metric.

Then stop using a word when you mean you want the literal opposite of what it means. It can’t really be argued that balance means anything but equal on both sides, can it? Picture a double beam scale, when equal quantities are on each side it remains in balance. When what someone wants is to have far more on one side than the other, why use the word balance? That’s not what it means? You don’t want balance if you want a 60/40 split, it doesn’t matter if that’s what the rest of the league does. Use a word that actually means what you want to say, like proportionate, typical, unbalanced towards the pass, a “modern split”, many terms mean what he wants to say, balanced isn’t one of them. He actively wants the opposite of balance.


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[jonboy79]

Harbs did lead the charge for analytics in the NFL but is currently going against the grain of what the analytics say are the most important barometers of success. For a guy that is very into analytics he's certainly not molding his offensive scheme towards them in any tangible way. Which was my point. We even hired Daniel Stern out of Yale to be a specialized analytics advisor, we've been on the forefront of this. So where is the disconnect happening other than just pure stubbornness to change?

All 4 Conference Championship teams Top 10 passing, 3/4 Top 5 Passing, SB Teams #1 and #2. Passing DVOA > Running DVOA.

How do you look at that and say:

A) There's no correlation

B) There is a correlation, but we're smart enough to win a Super Bowl while going against the grain

Do what works. Why do we follow analytics for 4th down attempts but defy them in offensive scheme which is a far more macro area. It makes no sense.

Or maybe the mathematician from Yale interprets the math differently than you do, and our leading the league in points over the past two years is a direct result of that.


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[WrongBaldy]

I think they should trade all of their WR's. And draft nothing but OL'men and TE's for the offense.

Then, run the old Veer offense. Or maybe bring in the old Navy coach to run the option-o and wishbone.


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[edromeo]

More and more it sounds like the WRs aren’t a fan of this offense. Anyone still think A-Rob is chomping at the bit to come play in this offense?

I guess people read/see what they want.

This wasn't Snead sounding off.
This was Snead explaining to a casual that quality isn't necessarily determined by volume.

Now; Hollywood's re-tweeting Snead comes off as more whining.....same as Hollywood's previous chirps.
I'll be the first to express frustration at the some elements of Roman's offense/passing game.
But from Hollywood? Of all people its hypocritical.

Based on target share the Ravens have do have a "#1 WR" by volume of targets.
Hollywood gets 25% of the target share.
Go look at any Greg Roman passing game and you'll see the #1 WR in that offense puts up numbers. (Crabtree, Boldin, Watkins)
It's up to Hollywood to make more of his targets and until he does that won't be perceived as true #1 WR.

The difference between Hollywood and AJ Brown is much greater then the 7 targets that separate them.

[Culex]

I guess people read/see what they want.

This wasn't Snead sounding off.
This was Snead explaining to a casual that quality isn't necessarily determined by volume.

Now; Hollywood's re-tweeting Snead comes off as more whining.....same as Hollywood's previous chirps.
I'll be the first to express frustration at the some elements of Roman's offense/passing game.
But from Hollywood? Of all people its hypocritical.

Based on target share the Ravens have do have a "#1 WR" by volume of targets.
Hollywood gets 25% of the target share.
Go look at any Greg Roman passing game and you'll see the #1 WR in that offense puts up numbers. (Crabtree, Boldin, Watkins)
It's up to Hollywood to make more of his targets and until he does that won't be perceived as true #1 WR.

The difference between Hollywood and AJ Brown is much greater then the 7 targets that separate them.

Hollywood averages 107 yards receiving after 3 playoff games so I don't think there's much you can blame him for. If we were falling short of the postseason then you could have a case but we aren't and hes showing up when it counts most

[sflegend89]

Watson is a better passer than Lamar Jackson. Trying to compare the two quarterbacks is probably not a good way to go especially from a pure passer standpoint. Greg Roman passing schemes may not be creative but even Colin Kapernick was better at attacking defenses outside the numbers . Lamar Jackson simply does not make those types of throws consistently enough for a opposing defenses to respect his arm or stay honest. Jackson is probably the most talented quarterback Roman has ever coached or been around other than Andrew Luck but Jackson still needs to work on his game as a passer.

My only point was that the Titans defense isn't good, bottom 5 in YDS/G and allowed 27.4 PPG

We scored 20 which was a full Touchdown below their season average. Our defense won us that game, it shouldn't evidenced as a gold star game for Roman and the scheme in the playoffs

[WrongBaldy]

imagine where this offense would be if the defense wasnt top 5 and they actually had to throw the ball LOL

[sflegend89]

Or maybe the mathematician from Yale interprets the math differently than you do, and our leading the league in points over the past two years is a direct result of that.


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The current scheme has been successful "their way" to an extent (mostly in the regular season) and they're sticking with what has worked. It's really just that simple. My issue lays with it not being sustainable long term or getting the job done in the playoffs against better gameplans to stop it. I'm not going to hold Harbs feet to the fire for sticking with something he sees as being effective, I just don't see it lasting much longer "their way" and want to nudge in the direction of what the analytics say is more effective. That's it.

But I have a feeling if I said "up" you would say "down", if I said "the sky is blue" you would say "sometimes it's not". It's all good. We're all fans of the same team and just want them to be the best they possibly can be.

[sflegend89]

imagine where this offense would be if the defense wasnt top 5 and they actually had to throw the ball LOL

Defense completely covered our ass this postseason, only reason we even won a playoff game and avoided getting routed in Buffalo. Offense is still very flawed.

[Ravenswintitle]

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[sflegend89]

I would like to see the Ravens sign Corey Davis and Tyrell William's. Put them out wide and Hollywood in the slot and patch up the OL. No number ones but I bet the passing game would improve significantly.

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I think so as well. Don't need to re-invent the wheel. Don't need some superstar FA wideout. Just make some quality additions and attack the problem... attack it the same way they attacked the run defense last offseason. When the front office/coaching staff really puts their minds to something they usually achieve it. But the first step is acknowledging we need to improve that area drastically.

Always seems like WR/passing game is some taboo subject that everybody has a hair trigger to defend.

[HbgPARavenfan]

I think they should trade all of their WR's. And draft nothing but OL'men and TE's for the offense.

Then, run the old Veer offense. Or maybe bring in the old Navy coach to run the option-o and wishbone.


LOL.

Might as well