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02-23-2021, 08:32 PM #37Regular 1st Stringer
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02-23-2021, 08:40 PM #38
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Re: Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
This whole thing is snow balling fast. So, I am assuming Dez won't be back. That's ok. Probably wasn't his choice anyway.
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02-23-2021, 08:41 PM #39
Re: Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
I'm not using the term "balanced" in a literal context of 50/50 run-pass. I'm using it into the context of NFL offensive statistics, entering it into a field of data so we can draw conclusions about what the most successful teams have in common and drawing correlations. In which we're the most effective rushing team (attempts, yds/game, total yds) and the least effective passing team (attempts, yds/game, total yds). That should be setting off alarm bells that something is wrong. Hollywood Brown made the same point, it's not ever going to ever be a championship formula and the analytics back that up.
All 4 Conference Championship teams Top 10 passing, 3/4 Top 5 Passing, SB Teams #1 and #2. Passing DVOA > Running DVOA.
I'm inclined to go in the direction for what is working for the best teams in the league and what the analytics say is more important. I don't expect us to get anywhere close to top 10 in passing, but even the low 20's would be a massive improvement as long as it's being done with efficiency (ie: Fix the OL and get better WR's). Harbaugh hasn't been out of the divisional round since 2012, I highly highly doubt that he's onto some master contrarian plan that will defy the current analytics.
You either trust the analytics/trends or you trust Harbaugh & Roman to be the smartest guys in the room. I'm taking the analytics/trends and not thinking twice about it.
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02-23-2021, 08:47 PM #40
Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
So if we get to 20 in passing and it drops us to 10th in rushing and 6th in scoring is that a win for you?
If our QB didn’t have his worst game of every season I. The playoffs we might be winning games there.
Also, in case you forgot, Harbaugh led the charge for analytics in this league.
I think you just want to be like others and see flashy passing stats. It’s ok, you should simply admit that is the most important thing to you.
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02-23-2021, 08:48 PM #41Veteran Poster
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02-23-2021, 08:50 PM #42Veteran Poster
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Re: Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
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02-23-2021, 08:52 PM #43
Re: Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
Dez just sounds like he's dog piling with Snead to cover his own ass since he knows the Ravens had no intention of bringing him back anyways. Either way, having 3 WR's of ours from 2020 slander the offense is not a good look going into FA when we desperately need help at WR.
Hopefully this is a wake up call that things need to change. I don't recall any RB's slandering the Chiefs/Bucs about how much they pass the ball and it's because they still run a fair amount despite being the #1 and #2 passing teams in the league. It's a lot easier to get RB's touches in a passing offense than it is to get WR's touches in a pure running offense.. even if you're thinking "Who cares if the WR's are happy with their touches"... we definitely will soon with FA approaching and Hollywood possibly out the door in a year or two. This scheme is snowballing against the Ravens fast.
We're becoming known as a team that doesn't care about WR's and it's a bad look considering how important throwing the ball is in the current NFL
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02-23-2021, 08:56 PM #44Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
I would like to see the Ravens sign Corey Davis and Tyrell William's. Put them out wide and Hollywood in the slot and patch up the OL. No number ones but I bet the passing game would improve significantly.
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02-23-2021, 08:57 PM #45Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
When you put it into the actual context of run vs pass, we were the MOST "balanced" team in the NFL last year. Closest delta between run and pass of any team.
Team Passes Sacked Runs (Scrams) AllPlays Pass% Run% delta Baltimore Ravens 406 32 555 50 993 49.1% 50.9% 1.7 New England Patriots 440 37 502 23 979 51.1% 48.9% 2.1 Tennessee Titans 485 25 521 20 1031 51.4% 48.6% 2.8 Cleveland Browns 501 26 495 25 1022 54.0% 46.0% 8.0 New Orleans Saints 522 29 494 20 1045 54.6% 45.4% 9.3 Indianapolis Colts 552 21 459 2 1032 55.7% 44.3% 11.4 Minnesota Vikings 516 39 468 17 1023 55.9% 44.1% 11.8 Green Bay Packers 526 21 443 24 990 57.7% 42.3% 15.4 Las Vegas Raiders 551 28 457 28 1036 58.6% 41.4% 17.2 Los Angeles Rams 590 25 473 24 1088 58.7% 41.3% 17.5 San Francisco 49ers 570 39 437 7 1046 58.9% 41.1% 17.8 Denver Broncos 556 32 442 26 1030 59.6% 40.4% 19.2 New York Jets 499 43 406 31 948 60.4% 39.6% 20.9 Arizona Cardinals 575 29 479 51 1083 60.5% 39.5% 21.0 Los Angeles Chargers 627 34 466 27 1127 61.0% 39.0% 22.1 Miami Dolphins 559 34 428 33 1021 61.3% 38.7% 22.6 New York Giants 517 50 399 26 966 61.4% 38.6% 22.8 Cincinnati Bengals 581 48 411 23 1040 62.7% 37.3% 25.4 Carolina Panthers 550 36 407 37 993 62.7% 37.3% 25.5 Buffalo Bills 596 27 411 29 1034 63.1% 36.9% 26.1 Atlanta Falcons 628 41 409 16 1078 63.5% 36.5% 27.1 Washington Team Football 601 50 400 17 1051 63.6% 36.4% 27.1 Dallas Cowboys 639 44 430 26 1113 63.7% 36.3% 27.4 Chicago Bears 614 36 393 20 1043 64.2% 35.8% 28.5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 626 22 369 6 1017 64.3% 35.7% 28.6 Pittsburgh Steelers 656 14 373 4 1043 64.6% 35.4% 29.2 Detroit Lions 582 42 367 19 991 64.9% 35.1% 29.8 Seattle Seahawks 563 48 411 53 1022 65.0% 35.0% 29.9 Kansas City Chiefs 630 24 403 40 1057 65.7% 34.3% 31.3 Philadelphia Eagles 598 65 403 49 1066 66.8% 33.2% 33.6 Jacksonville Jaguars 616 44 337 29 997 69.1% 30.9% 38.2 Houston Texans 546 50 344 62 940 70.0% 30.0% 40.0
The Giants & Dolphins were at the median for pass%. They were both 61% pass / 39% run.
Not "balanced" at all.
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02-23-2021, 08:59 PM #46
Re: Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
It depends on how you define balance.
Defining a balanced offense as 50% passing and 50% running as balanced, and your offense becoming more unbalanced the further you get from that metric makes sense.
Defining a balanced offense in the context of the rest of the league, where you want that ratio of passing to running to be average when compared to the other teams, and your offense becoming unbalanced the further you go towards either extreme also makes sense.
Stop pretending you don’t understand what the other person is talking about and arguing about semantics. When SF is talking about balance he obviously means the latter metric."That's not Donovan McNabb."
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02-23-2021, 08:59 PM #47Four-eyed Raven
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02-23-2021, 09:01 PM #48
Re: Willie Snead sounding off on Twitter
Harbs did lead the charge for analytics in the NFL but is currently going against the grain of what the analytics say are the most important barometers of success. For a guy that is very into analytics he's certainly not molding his offensive scheme towards them in any tangible way. Which was my point. We even hired Daniel Stern out of Yale to be a specialized analytics advisor, we've been on the forefront of this. So where is the disconnect happening other than just pure stubbornness to change?
All 4 Conference Championship teams Top 10 passing, 3/4 Top 5 Passing, SB Teams #1 and #2. Passing DVOA > Running DVOA.
How do you look at that and say:
A) There's no correlation
B) There is a correlation, but we're smart enough to win a Super Bowl while going against the grain
Do what works. Why do we follow analytics for 4th down attempts but defy them in offensive scheme which is a far more macro area. It makes no sense.
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