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  1. #1

    Black History

    In 1968, according to Harris polling, MLK had a public disapproval rating of 75% lol. It boggles my mind to think that a man who literally just wanted civil rights and for black and white kids to be be able to play together was hated so much!

    Like, who in their right mind could hear the I have a dream speech and think "f*** that guy!!!" It's so crazy lmaoooo, but 75% of the country truly hated that stuff.

    For those of you who were alive or had parents who lived through it, why was he hated so much? What was it about a peaceful man that wanted liberty that triggered so many people?

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    Re: Black History

    During the Cold War, his message of civil rights was a socialist movement. Many thought he was a communist and one of his speeches in 1967:
    ​“When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”

    That stance made him hugely unpopular....





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    Re: Black History

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleG View Post
    During the Cold War, his message of civil rights was a socialist movement. Many thought he was a communist and one of his speeches in 1967:
    ​“When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”

    That stance made him hugely unpopular....
    That and his exploitation of his power and celebrity to engage in continuous sexual debauchery while claiming to be a "Reverend".





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    Re: Black History

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    That and his exploitation of his power and celebrity to engage in continuous sexual debauchery while claiming to be a "Reverend".
    A political figure that commits debauchery.... isn’t that a prerequisite?





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    Re: Black History

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleG View Post
    A political figure that commits debauchery.... isn’t that a prerequisite?
    It sure seems to be.

    But the premise of the original post was the 75% disapproval rate King experienced in 1968.

    And back in 1968 people at least pretended to give a shit about serial sexual infidelity.

    Particularly in people claiming to be religious leaders.





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    Re: Black History

    It might also have to do with his Socialistic/Communistic Leanings.

    Back in 1968, before our childrens' minds were filled with socialistic mush from public schools... people didn't approve of pinkos and commies.

    Here are a few of the things Dr. King had to say on the subject.

    “I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
    – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.

    “In a sense, you could say we’re involved in the class struggle.”
    –Quote to New York Times reporter, José Igelsias, 1968.

    “And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society…”
    –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.

    “Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.”
    –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.

    “Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
    – Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.

    “We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
    - Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.

    “The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
    –Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.

    “I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”
    – Where do We Go from Here?, 1967.

    “You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.”
    – Speech to his staff, 1966.

    “[W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”
    – Speech to his staff, 1966.

    “If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.”
    - Speech at Bishop Charles Mason Temple of the Church of God in Christ in support of the Memphis sanitation workers’ strike on March 18th, 1968, two weeks before he was assassinated.





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    Re: Black History

    I'm all for learning about Black History, as long as it doesn't sacrifice learning about history in general.

    Case in point; I'm a retired teacher. Kids in school these days are experts on Crispus Attucks, but have NO IDEA who Thomas Edison was! Da Vinci, Plato, etc.

    I can also recall watching a teacher put up a bulletin board display of famous African-Americans and recall the horrible dirty look I got when I asked why Clarence Thomas wasn't represented.

    I think we can all agree that Martin Luther King would be appalled at what's going on today.
    Last edited by TheOrioleWay; 02-20-2021 at 08:59 AM.





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    Re: Black History

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    It might also have to do with his Socialistic/Communistic Leanings.

    Back in 1968, before our childrens' minds were filled with socialistic mush from public schools... people didn't approve of pinkos and commies.

    Here are a few of the things Dr. King had to say on the subject.

    “I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
    – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.

    “In a sense, you could say we’re involved in the class struggle.”
    –Quote to New York Times reporter, José Igelsias, 1968.

    “And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society…”
    –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.

    “Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.”
    –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.

    “Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
    – Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.

    “We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
    - Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.

    “The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
    –Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.

    “I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”
    – Where do We Go from Here?, 1967.

    “You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.”
    – Speech to his staff, 1966.

    “[W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”
    – Speech to his staff, 1966.

    “If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.”
    - Speech at Bishop Charles Mason Temple of the Church of God in Christ in support of the Memphis sanitation workers’ strike on March 18th, 1968, two weeks before he was assassinated.
    This is helpful. We can barely understand and agree on what we are seeing in front of us today let alone what happened 50 years ago but as Gina Carano said recently shortly before her cancelation history is edited.

    I was a baby when he was assasinated so can't add anything here. My brother remembers my parents in shouting matches with members of our community pool that were trying to block access to black folks when the pool became integrated. This was in PG County.





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    Re: Black History

    Quote Originally Posted by BustOfPallas View Post
    This is helpful. We can barely understand and agree on what we are seeing in front of us today let alone what happened 50 years ago but as Gina Carano said recently shortly before her cancelation history is edited.

    I was a baby when he was assasinated so can't add anything here. My brother remembers my parents in shouting matches with members of our community pool that were trying to block access to black folks when the pool became integrated. This was in PG County.
    I generally think of Dr. King as kind of a scummy person who happened to be on the side of a good cause.

    And I'd like to think that I can favor the cause of universal recognition of Civil Rights, without having to worship at the feet of it's icons.

    I guess that's part of the problem I have with the BLM movement as well.

    It's possible to object to police abuse of power, without having to pretend that those who may have been subjected to it were saintly icons who were minding their own business.

    It destroys the message





  10. #10

    Re: Black History

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleG View Post
    During the Cold War, his message of civil rights was a socialist movement. Many thought he was a communist and one of his speeches in 1967:
    ​“When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”

    That stance made him hugely unpopular....
    I think that on its face, this makes sense. When people are suffering so terribly, constantly spending money on war should have been criticized. Even Dwight Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex.

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    Re: Black History

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    That and his exploitation of his power and celebrity to engage in continuous sexual debauchery while claiming to be a "Reverend".
    Ummm his sex life wasn't public knowledge at all at the time. That has nothing to do with the poll numbers

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  12. #12

    Re: Black History

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    It might also have to do with his Socialistic/Communistic Leanings.

    Back in 1968, before our childrens' minds were filled with socialistic mush from public schools... people didn't approve of pinkos and commies.

    Here are a few of the things Dr. King had to say on the subject.

    “I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
    – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.

    “In a sense, you could say we’re involved in the class struggle.”
    –Quote to New York Times reporter, José Igelsias, 1968.

    “And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society…”
    –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.

    “Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.”
    –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.

    “Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
    – Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.

    “We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
    - Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.

    “The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
    –Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.

    “I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”
    – Where do We Go from Here?, 1967.

    “You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.”
    – Speech to his staff, 1966.

    “[W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”
    – Speech to his staff, 1966.

    “If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.”
    - Speech at Bishop Charles Mason Temple of the Church of God in Christ in support of the Memphis sanitation workers’ strike on March 18th, 1968, two weeks before he was assassinated.
    True, he was radical

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