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Thread: OBJ Trade offers
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02-26-2021, 03:02 PM #637Pro Bowl Poster
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02-26-2021, 03:24 PM #638Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: OBJ Trade offers
Who knew a running offense was now a "gimmick" offense.
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02-26-2021, 03:37 PM #639
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02-26-2021, 06:14 PM #640
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That’s absurd to think that a team would say no to locking up to their LT position because in their head they’re thinking “nah, we plan on sucking for a couple more years. Hopefully Lawrence doesn’t get Tim Couched. Whatever happens happens.” I don’t get some of y’all’s thought process.
You guys are so “by the book” when it comes to building a team. Which pretty much consists of just drafting good players and only keeping the ones willing to take a low ball offer. Never pay somebody their market value, wait until they’re a UFA and settle for a comp pick instead of trading for premium picks, and god forbid signing anybody who wasn’t a throw away roster cut from another team. Have to load up on those 6th round comp picks!
Bills and Colts aren’t in “win now” mode. They’re in “‘make our team better so we can compete with the Chiefs” mode. As should every other team be.Last edited by DeltaRaven; 02-26-2021 at 06:21 PM.
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02-26-2021, 09:03 PM #641
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No question they would rather have OBJ based on age. But I could see them going after Trent Williams as a stop gap if they aren't willing to part with the amount of draft capital the Ravens are looking for.
At the end of the day I still see them pulling the trigger in the coming weeks and Orlando ending up a Jag... but Trent is the biggest piece still in play for a LT needy team
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02-26-2021, 09:16 PM #642
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Which to me is just a biased take from a guy who was heavily involved with a division rival and wanting us to get as little for him as possible. You don't work for an organization for 20+ years and not have a deep connection/bias towards them. We would all bash a division rival's players on the trade block too, it's a subconscious game of trying to drive their value down as to not help that team succeed. The PFF pass blocking grades completely refute what he's saying as well as the tape
There is plenty of tape of OBJ on pure passing reps against the likes of TJ Watt, Myles Garrett, and Frank Clark and he's more than held his own. Orlando is a better pass blocker than he is a run blocker, the narrative that he's only successful in the framework of a run first offense is asinine. Being able to get after guys in the run game is probably his biggest weakness as a Tackle because he's not the best athlete or most mobile guy.
Myself and many others actually think OBJ ascends even further as a LT when he gets out of this offense and into a more traditional passing offense that won't ask him to do as much athletically as a mobile run blocker
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02-26-2021, 09:56 PM #643
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So the fact JO said almost the same thing is just a coincidence.. or also biased?
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02-27-2021, 12:07 AM #644
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02-27-2021, 02:33 AM #645
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bal...outputType=amp
Cincy guy was more “he can’t play LT in a real scheme.
JO was more like “can he play LT in a real scheme” “I don’t know”.
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02-27-2021, 02:47 AM #646
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The only area of criticism I saw came in:
“But he was with the No. 1 running offense in the league that runs a lot with a quarterback who is super athletic. Can you play in a passing offense where you’re expected to pass block most of the time? Can you make the transition? I don’t know the answer to that.”
I don't think JO has been watching all-22 and evaluating him rep-by-rep. This just sounds like a quick take based on watching the games live. I would definitely say, yes. I'm far less impressed with OBJ as a run blocker than I am as a pass blocker. That's his element. The PFF pass pro grades back that up, he's been top 10 in passing blocking the last two seasons and left much to be desired as a run blocker.
JO is in fact playing devil's advocate that he should stay but understanding why he's chasing money. That take seems to coincide with wanting him to stay in Baltimore as evidenced by him saying "I don’t think he really wants to leave, just wants to get paid. Maybe it is a ploy to see what the Ravens have. I don’t know, but I’d love to see him stay a Raven"
I watched the all-22 all season and walked away saying "he would be even better if he wasn't asked to do so much athletically as a run blocker", it's not his strength but he still does a solid job, in a traditional passing offense I think he could be even better, keep him in his wheelhouse
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02-27-2021, 02:59 AM #647Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: OBJ Trade offers
The Cincy guy said not in a million years would he want Brown playing LT for him.
Ogden said I'm not sute if he can play LT in a normal scheme. Two very different comments lol. He did play in a normal scheme quite successfully.at Oklahoma protecting the blindside of Baker Mayfield. That was college though. I will note the ten games he played at LT in the NFL really didn't do anything to show that he couldn't. Not a guarantee but certainly more of one than any college kid entering the draft can provide.
I heard one analyst say it would be easier to block for a pocket passer than Lamar because the OT always knows where he is.
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02-27-2021, 03:14 AM #648
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