Run Game Changes from Press Conference

**one eyed bird** · 01-26-2021, 06:19 PM

What have they won

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

maybe you like winning?

**sflegend89** · 01-26-2021, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by one eyed bird

When your QB can only throw limited routes, a#1 receiver is not essential, better to build line

Such nonsense. Lamar's arm talent allows him to make every throw on the field. Lack of development does not equal lack of ability. He's underdeveloped as a passer because he doesn't have the talent around him at WR or the coaching focus to curate his passing as it's not a priority in the scheme.

If Lamar was paired with Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, or Sean McVay from the start he would be slinging the rock like a madman by now. The Ravens simply fell in love with his legs and said "You're an underdeveloped pass, so we're just going to do whats the most effective in the short term and just let you run like crazy". A smart coaching staff would realize he has the arm talent to be a great passer, focus all their energy there, and end up with the greatest dual threat QB of all time.

The Ravens "play to your strengths" mentality is a long term detriment, opting for short term effectiveness over long term development

**sflegend89** · 01-26-2021, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Iamjacks

What's the solution for 8 man boxes? Why can't Roman seem to correct for it with play calling? I see Lamar get calls late, read off his wristband and then fail. How do other teams counter this? Shouldn't Roman have like half his sheet dedicated to beating 8 man boxes?

The problem with 8 man boxes is that we don't have the talent on the boundary to make them pay. Every defensive alignment/strategy is giving up a part of the field in order to gain an advantage in another. So when you load up the box you are fortifying your run defense at the cost of vulnerable 1 on 1, no safety help coverage on the outside. But when you don't have the WR talent to punish on the boundary that becomes the perfect defense to play the Ravens with.

The weakness that they create within the defense aligns with the weakness of our offense, it's a perfect way to play us. Until we get talent on the boundary the offense will continue to stumble in the postseason against a super effective 8 man box strategy.

The Ravens notion that simply improving the OL will let you bulldoze through a stacked box is beyond naive and foolish

**sflegend89** · 01-26-2021, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven

Roman dialed up a ton of deep shots because he knew Hollywood was getting 1-on-1 looks in man blitzes early in the season.

Lamar missed Brown 4 different times with a step on the defender.

I don't know what you wanted Greg Roman to do in that case. If even half of those are caught it forces the defense to adjust. You're taking a safety out of the box and giving help on a guy that just burnt you for a score.

Roman isn't perfect, but the lack of execution this year was stifling.

This is true. Lamar missed a ton of big plays this year. Kid has a ton of work to do this offseason to refine his mechanics/accuracy intermediate/deep. The problem is consistency, he has a huge arm with great touch, he can make the throws, just not consistently (much like Josh Allen in 2019 who left a ton of big plays on the field with accuracy issues).

But getting him a premiere WR, preferably a guy with a massive catch radius like Robinson/Golladay would give him a bigger margin for error with his accuracy. Furthermore it would create synergy with Hollywood/Andrews as both guys would get open more, defenses would have multiple threats to account for down field rather than just one. The middle of the field will not be so compact and it will give Andrews space to operate.

**one eyed bird** · 01-26-2021, 08:12 PM

He has had 4 years of HS coaching, 3 years of College coaching in a pro style system and 3 years in the NFL, if he hasn’t developed the ablity to complete pass to the outside by now I think its more a lack of ability than a lack of development

Originally Posted by sflegend89

Such nonsense. Lamar's arm talent allows him to make every throw on the field. Lack of development does not equal lack of ability. He's underdeveloped as a passer because he doesn't have the talent around him at WR or the coaching focus to curate his passing as it's not a priority in the scheme.

If Lamar was paired with Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, or Sean McVay from the start he would be slinging the rock like a madman by now. The Ravens simply fell in love with his legs and said "You're an underdeveloped pass, so we're just going to do whats the most effective in the short term and just let you run like crazy". A smart coaching staff would realize he has the arm talent to be a great passer, focus all their energy there, and end up with the greatest dual threat QB of all time.

The Ravens "play to your strengths" mentality is a long term detriment, opting for short term effectiveness over long term development

**WrongBaldy** · 01-26-2021, 08:27 PM

Fix the OL and watch Roman shine

**sflegend89** · 01-26-2021, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by one eyed bird

He has had 4 years of HS coaching, 3 years of College coaching in a pro style system and 3 years in the NFL, if he hasn’t developed the ablity to complete pass to the outside by now I think its more a lack of ability than a lack of development

Yup, definitely can't throw accurately outside the numbers. Has nothing to do with the fact that he has a bottom 5 WR core, run specialist OC, and his best WR is 5'8

**one eyed bird** · 01-27-2021, 02:20 AM

Ever think maybe he has a bottom 5 WR core because they have a bottom 2 QB throwing the ball to them? T Hill and Diggs say hi to the 5’8” club, doesn’t seem to bother their QBs too much. Your 2nd clip is a clearly a throw down the middle, inside the #s 3rd clip he himself is outside the #s on a rollout.Keep trying, like Lamar I am sure you can do better

**sflegend89** · 01-27-2021, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by one eyed bird

Ever think maybe he has a bottom 5 WR core because they have a bottom 2 QB throwing the ball to them? T Hill and Diggs say hi to the 5’8” club, doesn’t seem to bother their QBs too much. Your 2nd clip is a clearly a throw down the middle, inside the #s 3rd clip he himself is outside the #s on a rollout.Keep trying, like Lamar I am sure you can do better

We got a troll, sheesh

Diggs is a legit 6'0 and Tyreek Hill is the most athletic pound-for-pound player in the entire NFL but good try

**leachisabeast** · 01-27-2021, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Do you have confidence that Roman can call a good passing offense when the run isn't working?

He did in San Fran

**JimZipCode** · 01-27-2021, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Do you have confidence that Roman can call a good passing offense when the run isn't working?

Sure, with one huge caveat: if the reason the run isn't working is because the OL is getting beat like a drum, then no one can "call a good passing offense".

In Indy, the run wasn't working because the defense was having all its guys attack the line. Roman adjusted extremely nicely, with play-action passes on 1st down and only running into advantageous down & distances like 2nd&1. Lamar was perfect in that second half, and we put up 17 pts – would've been 24 if Gus hadn't fumbled at the 3. That's a good half of football.

In the playoff game vs Buffalo, the individual D-linemen were defeating our individual O-lineman. No one can call a good offense wen that is happening.

Cole Jackson
@ColeJacksonRSR
10:36 PM · Jan 16, 2021
https://twitter.com/ColeJacksonRSR/s...48043473956864

Lamar Jackson has his own faults that we can get into separately, but one thing stands out.

2018: Ravens OL dominated by the Chargers 4 man rush
2019: Ravens OL dominated by the Titans 3 IDL (Didn't even stack box)
2020: Ravens OL dominated by the Bills (granted they blitzed)

Good offense requires good blocking, whether it's run offense or pass offense.

**ravensfan55** · 01-27-2021, 12:59 PM

I love Lamar but he isn't anywhere near an elite thrower. There are probably 20+ QB's in the league I'd put above him in terms of pure passing ability.

But, I lay a lot of the blame on the Ravens coaching staff. There's no way he should have regressed the way he has this year. Yes, our receivers aren't great but Lamar has to stop holding on to the ball forever. He should know that by now. He can't stay locked in on only one reciever.

Who actually is watching and correcting his mechanics? Why was he under throwing or over throwing so many receivers this year? Why was he often not even seeing wide open recievers even when the O line gave him time.

I think the Ravens would be smart to have Lamar work with Jordan Palmer this off season. He did wonders with Josh Allen.