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  1. #49
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    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    They had a good OL two years ago and still got wrecked in the playoffs. That is not a cure all. Itís like posters have forgotten than Stanley, Yanda and Brown were all on that 2019 line that lost at home to the Titans.





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    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They had a good OL two years ago and still got wrecked in the playoffs. That is not a cure all. It’s like posters have forgotten than Stanley, Yanda and Brown were all on that 2019 line that lost at home to the Titans.
    This. Feel like I've posted that exact sentiment a few times now. Of course I value the OL, of course they need to get help at iOL.. But the notion that that a high end OL is suddenly going decimate the 8 man boxes that we see in the playoffs is ludicrous. You're not building a better OL than the 2019 version this offseason.

    The Ravens will not win a SB until they can pass the ball confidently. Top 3 passing teams in the NFL all in the conference championships. Only team that wasn't was the Packers who finished top 10 in run & pass. Turns out, passing is pretty important, even for a team that runs a good bit like GB.

    We can keep doing this zig while they all zag schtick, "we're the smartest guy in the room" shit until the cows come home. We will still be the one's at home crying at the end of the day when a team in the playoffs says "Here throw the ball, we'll give you the boundary, we'll just take away the run and that pesky Andrews over the middle, knock yourself out!" and we simply cannot do it.





  3. #51

    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They had a good OL two years ago and still got wrecked in the playoffs. That is not a cure all. Itís like posters have forgotten than Stanley, Yanda and Brown were all on that 2019 line that lost at home to the Titans.
    Oh boy you gonna get in trouble here





  4. #52

    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They had a good OL two years ago and still got wrecked in the playoffs. That is not a cure all. Itís like posters have forgotten than Stanley, Yanda and Brown were all on that 2019 line that lost at home to the Titans.
    Brown Jr., Andrews, and Jackson were all rookies lol. Lamarís improved passing alone wouldíve probably won us that game.





  5. Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They had a good OL two years ago and still got wrecked in the playoffs. That is not a cure all. Itís like posters have forgotten than Stanley, Yanda and Brown were all on that 2019 line that lost at home to the Titans.

    The team had a lot of different issues that year, most of which Was the defense not being able to stop Henry.

    Then factor in Ingram and Andrews were hurt before the playoffs.

    The team fixed the Dline and we stopped Henry. Clearly the Oline is an issue and the biggest issue...

    If we fix that it will fix many of the issues.

    Doesnít mean you are going to win a Super Bowl and win every game in the playoffs, but you definitely will have a better chance when your center isnít snapping the ball 20 feet over the QBs head and the interior isnít collapsing in half a second.





  6. #54

    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravensblitzkrieg View Post
    The team had a lot of different issues that year, most of which Was the defense not being able to stop Henry.

    Then factor in Ingram and Andrews were hurt before the playoffs.

    The team fixed the Dline and we stopped Henry. Clearly the Oline is an issue and the biggest issue...

    If we fix that it will fix many of the issues.

    Doesn’t mean you are going to win a Super Bowl and win every game in the playoffs, but you definitely will have a better chance when your center isn’t snapping the ball 20 feet over the QBs head and the interior isn’t collapsing in half a second.
    We scored 13 points with 1st Team All-Pro Stanley & Yanda in 2019.... it's not a matter of the OL, it wasn't a matter of the defense getting ransacked, it was a 13-6 game at halftime... the defense even in the midst of getting tore up by Henry kept the offense in that game far longer than they probably deserved.

    They fixed the run defense, didn't fix the passing game. This offseason.... fix the passing game.

    The OL is getting Stanley back, I repeat, we're getting Stanley back. We're probably drafting a Guard/Center in round 1 or 2.

    The OL is gonna be sorted just fine. The thing that is very much up in the air, is whether the passing game will get fixed. If we can't pass the ball in the playoffs, we will groundhog day ourselves for the 4th straight year.





  7. Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Quote Originally Posted by sflegend89 View Post
    We scored 13 points with 1st Team All-Pro Stanley & Yanda in 2019.... it's not a matter of the OL, it wasn't a matter of the defense getting ransacked, it was a 13-6 game at halftime... the defense even in the midst of getting tore up by Henry kept the offense in that game far longer than they probably deserved.

    They fixed the run defense, didn't fix the passing game. This offseason.... fix the passing game.

    The OL is getting Stanley back, I repeat, we're getting Stanley back. We're probably drafting a Guard/Center in round 1 or 2.

    The OL is gonna be sorted just fine. The thing that is very much up in the air, is whether the passing game will get fixed. If we can't pass the ball in the playoffs, we will groundhog day ourselves for the 4th straight year.
    You just skipped over the part andrews and Ingram were both hurt?

    Receivers were dropping passes all over the place that game as well.

    Our Oline was a serious problem this playoffs and it needs to be fixed.

    We also need a #1 Receiver and slide Brown to the #2.

    We also need Roman to come up with better passing schemes.

    All those are true. I donít think itís a fix one thing and itís all good. You can address multiple issues at once.

    But one thing is for sure. Of your Oline doesnít block nothing else will work well.





  8. #56

    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravensblitzkrieg View Post
    You just skipped over the part andrews and Ingram were both hurt?

    Receivers were dropping passes all over the place that game as well.

    Our Oline was a serious problem this playoffs and it needs to be fixed.

    We also need a #1 Receiver and slide Brown to the #2.

    We also need Roman to come up with better passing schemes.

    All those are true. I don’t think it’s a fix one thing and it’s all good. You can address multiple issues at once.

    But one thing is for sure. Of your Oline doesn’t block nothing else will work well.
    Nobody is disagreeing about OL lol. What we're saying is that it's pretty obvious how that will get fixed, we'll get Stanley back, draft a plug-and-play iOL in round 1 or 2. That's the OL sorted.

    What many people (myself included) are worried about it how we address the WR position and fix the passing game because:

    1. Roman isn't the OC for fixing an ailing passing game, it's worrying

    2. The Ravens historically are quite bad at fixing WR problems, their track record has us all on edge with what they intend to do in FA





  9. #57

    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    If o like canít block why not spread out defense with 4 wr and dink and dunk





  10. #58

    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Lamar has improved passing, news to me and anybody else who watched the games
    Quote Originally Posted by Shrubbs View Post
    Brown Jr., Andrews, and Jackson were all rookies lol. Lamar’s improved passing alone would’ve probably won us that game.





  11. #59

    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    This is all in the context that Roman isn't going anywhere, Harbaugh isn't going anywhere, and Harbaugh has already told us that he thinks the offense is fine the way it is and has no intention of changing anything.

    They have this offense because it's what Harbaugh wants. Whether this offense is all Lamar can handle, or whether it's holding him back from his true potential, it ain't changing.

    Next year will be another 60% running team that only passes when they think they'll take teams by surprise or they have no choice. The passing concepts will stay the same. Maybe Lamar improves his footwork, pre and post-snap reads, etc. or maybe he doesn't.

    Within THAT context, an expensive, FA WR will not help anywhere near as much as a dominant OL. I still don't think a dominant OL is ENOUGH, but it's the better choice given the other variables staying the same.





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    Re: Paying a receiver top money might not be a great idea

    Quote Originally Posted by sflegend89 View Post
    Yup, let's just sign Kendrick Bourne and run zone read & power bash into a brick wall in the playoffs for the 4th straight year

    Or.... hear me out. Evolve the offense and incorporate modern passing concepts with talented WR's/TE's
    If the money is close no#1 player is coming to Baltimore? To catch a few passes a game and be responsible for blocking as his stats lag and he has trouble cashing in again after 3 years here.





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