which coach/coaches will elevate lamar and the offense to the next level?

**xiao_ke** · 01-17-2021, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Flacco and Cameron got into a heated argument on the sidelines, during the Indianapolis playoff game following the 09’ season.

Jim Zorn was brought in as the QB Coach for the 10’ season. Flacco’s mechanics actually improved significantly under Zorn. However, like Flacco, Zorn was at odds with Cameron over the offensive philosophy. Zorn sided with Flacco and Harbaugh settled it by not only siding with Cameron, but firing Zorn. Despite Flacco’s improvement as a passer. Flacco then went public with his frustration, saying that firing his QB Coach was like saying they weren’t satisfied with his play. Harbaugh then doubled down and have Cameron some QB Coach duties.

I remember it well and it felt like Cam was jealous that Zorn was getting too much credit for Flacco's improvement as a passer.

**jonboy79** · 01-17-2021, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by seraph

They won't get rid of Harbaugh but he also has no idea how to evolve the offense past what it is.

As they clearly should not. There are probably a dozen teams keeping their head coach that would fire them immediately if they could get Harbs. Dude already has a HOF resume.

I don’t know if there IS evolving this scheme. We tried the middle of the year and Lamar looked awful when used as a pocket passer and needed to drop that and go back to running to win games again.

Roman’s scheme dragged Colin Kaepernick to the SB... I think his scheme is what it is and that is that it gets the VERY BEST out of limited passing skill athletes.

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**WrongBaldy** · 01-17-2021, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

As they clearly should not. There are probably a dozen teams keeping their head coach that would fire them immediately if they could get Harbs. Dude already has a HOF resume.

I don’t know if there IS evolving this scheme. We tried the middle of the year and Lamar looked awful when used as a pocket passer and needed to drop that and go back to running to win games again.

Roman’s scheme dragged Colin Kaepernick to the SB... I think his scheme is what it is and that is that it gets the VERY BEST out of limited passing skill athletes.

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the same limited passing qb that won mvp and let league in TDs? LMAO

**DeltaRaven** · 01-17-2021, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by WrongBaldy

the same limited passing qb that won mvp and let league in TDs? LMAO

Is this going to be the new 11 TD 0 INT Flacco playoff run?

**WrongBaldy** · 01-17-2021, 02:09 AM

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**WrongBaldy** · 01-17-2021, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by DeltaRaven

Is this going to be the new 11 TD 0 INT Flacco playoff run?

i mean if someone dumb says hes not a pocket passer ill show you a season full of accomplishments

**QtR Nevermore** · 01-17-2021, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Finisher

Lamar and his agent need to speak up. I think he's too much of a good soldier to do it, but it needs to happen.

Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Flacco have his agent essentially force an OC change?

We clearly need someone who can install a legit passing attack and make Lamar better not retard his progress. Roman's inept passing scheme is stunting Lamar's growth.

I think Lamar might speak up this off season. I get the feeling he's getting tired of continually pulling Roman's ass out of the fire with individual brilliance.

1 He went on Eisen to talk about the predictability of the offense.

2 After the Titans game he pointedly said "The coaches didn't panic" as a reason why they won.

3 At least once a week he loses it towards the sidelines when the play call comes in late again.

If he brings it up during his contract negotiations he might be able to force a change.

**QtR Nevermore** · 01-17-2021, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by WrongBaldy

the same limited passing qb that won mvp and let league in TDs? LMAO

Exactly. I don't think you can say Lamar is a limited passer based on what he does in Roman's offense.

Mahomes would struggle as a passer throwing into the tight windows and limited options that this offense provides.

That he can't provide easier passing opportunities even when defenses are selling out against the run is the biggest indictment of Roman.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-17-2021, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

As they clearly should not. There are probably a dozen teams keeping their head coach that would fire them immediately if they could get Harbs. Dude already has a HOF resume.

I don’t know if there IS evolving this scheme. We tried the middle of the year and Lamar looked awful when used as a pocket passer and needed to drop that and go back to running to win games again.

Roman’s scheme dragged Colin Kaepernick to the SB... I think his scheme is what it is and that is that it gets the VERY BEST out of limited passing skill athletes.

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kind of coming away with this feeling as well. seeing those receivers WIDE OPEN tells me the plays were there... Oline an issue but man...

**Bhcforlife** · 01-17-2021, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

kind of coming away with this feeling as well. seeing those receivers WIDE OPEN tells me the plays were there... Oline an issue but man...

This is the determination the Ravens will have to make and the consequences should they get it wrong could cripple them. Is Roman and the offensive staff squeezing everything out of Lamar there is to squeeze in terms of his passing, or is the OC and personnel holding him back?

**s.r.genovese** · 01-17-2021, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Bhcforlife

This is the determination the Ravens will have to make and the consequences should they get it wrong could cripple them. Is Roman and the offensive staff squeezing everything out of Lamar there is to squeeze in terms of his passing, or is the OC and personnel holding him back?

Little of both probably. I think there are clear limitations on Lamar that limit his ceiling but he can reach a higher level of play with a little more help from the talent around him and coaching staff. Problem will be when/if he gets the mega QB deal how does he perform when there isn’t as much money to put talent around him?

**Shrubbs** · 01-17-2021, 11:58 AM

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’d look at Cleveland’s coaching staff. I like Roman, and I know Stefanski calls the plays, but if there’s some position coach or something that contributes heavily to their offense (like David Culley does to ours) I’d be interested in him for OC. They’re an excellent running team, and run first for sure, but they’re also great at designing that short to intermediate passing game as well. Mayfield was a terrible terrible passer last year, but now looks very confident. Give Lamar the opportunity to manage the game a little more instead of always being asked to bail us out, get some more screens going, but still have an awesome running game but unlike CLE we could get the QB involved.