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01-08-2021, 02:25 PM #1Hall Of Fame Poster
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Why it happened
I was going to post this a few days ago but didn't.
What happened at the capital was not people angry their guy didn't win trying to overthrow a duly elected president. It was people who thought they were preventing an election from being stolen by fraud. And that happened because they have zero faith in our election process.
Unless you think that there is not room for improvement in the current process (doubtful) or that it's not important (doubtful) and in light of what happened can we agree it's more important than ever to create a universally agreed upon process to elect our political leaders so it's not possible for people to doubt the outcome of the election?
I saw a post on twitter a couple weeks ago by an Israeli talking about why what was happening here could never happen there.
https://twitter.com/davidboxenhorn/s...51098692997123
There is a lot of good information and ideas there.
The problem as I see it is that neither political party will agree to anything except reforms that benefit their side.
Something needs to be done though or I fear something much worse than January 6 will happen in the future.
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01-08-2021, 02:29 PM #2Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Why it happened
The other problem standing in the way is that if your guys wins, which for a while now means roughly half the country in our fucked up 2 party system, no one gives a shit.
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01-08-2021, 02:38 PM #4Veteran Poster
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Re: Why it happened
I don’t think we will see anything like this again in our lifetime.
Here is what I think will happen
The ruling class (lifetime politicians that are becoming multi millionaires while in office) won’t allow any more outsiders to have a chance.
I think they will make an example out of trump. Continuous trials to cause him to go bankrupt. This will deter anyone from ever thinking an outsider can be president.
Nothing will be done to change how the voting process works, because this is the ultimate power. One part controls all sources of media (news and entertainment), education, technology. They get to decide how the election process works. They can change the rules at anytime of an election is in doubt, they can stop counting and change the outcome in the dark of night.
Meanwhile, the education side will change history books to remove any success trump had
The news and entertainment side will flood you with useful info showing how corrupt Trump is.
Nothing will be changed with the election process.
Until
The left tries to grab too much. For now, they use smoke screens to claim they are against the rich. But the rich all vote D. All of the richest people we can think of, vote dem. And look, they are getting super rich.
But eventually, they left will come for you. I predict the first power grab will be free college. Which means raising taxes
Then wiping out all debt for those that didn’t pay. More taxes.
Then they will target 401k accounts. Taking control to help pay for the free stuff.
All of these things are currently being floated.
Eventually, the tipping point will happen.
But I don’t expect any change to the election process. Why? They have power, why make it easy for someone else to get power?
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01-08-2021, 02:46 PM #5
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I agree with alot of what your saying and you and I dont agree on much the only thing I disagree when you say about JUST the left grabbing to much both parties do the same it's not just one that's what I have been saying all along. Trump may have done some good things but it will be overruled by 5he last days of his presidency. As you know I'm not a trump fan at all but it's bad how his legacy will be remembered for this when he tries hard for it to be otherwise
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01-08-2021, 02:51 PM #6Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Why it happened
This.
He poured a can of gasoline on his legacy and any future he might have had because he was too dumb to imagine what could happen by riling up a crowd of people in front of the capital. Maybe he knew. I think he wanted a spectacle but didn't think it'd be anything more than that. Given the last year that was almost criminally stupid. The moment that one guy started fighting a capital police at the barricade, the first barricade, his legacy was done. I would say it's not all his fault because he did not do those acts himself but there was zero degrees of separation between him and that crowd. Just dumb. Irresponsible.
BUT WE ARE BEATING THIS HORSE ON OTHER THREADS.
We need to reform our electoral process. Sadly, due to one party rule, I think what you'll see is Democrats doing things that maximize their advantage and keeping all the things that do the same and calling that "reform".
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01-08-2021, 03:12 PM #7Veteran Poster
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01-08-2021, 03:15 PM #8Veteran Poster
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Re: Why it happened
I don’t see how you blame trump for the actions of a few radicals. Just like we didn’t blame Schumer and Pelosi when the radicals stormed the capital during the kavanaugh hearings.
Didn’t matter what Trump did, the elite class was going to make an example of him. Just another example of why I think this was staged. Too many coincidences
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01-08-2021, 03:29 PM #9Hall Of Fame Poster
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01-09-2021, 02:32 AM #11Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Why it happened
Eh. We'll see how things go. Even with a 51/50 advantage, the dems can only railroad judicial appointments through. Reconciliation can be used on budget bills, but you still need a passed bill to reconcile first.
Gop also still theoretically has the edge on the Supreme Court. I doubt the Dems can pass any voter reforms that only benefit them (at least at the national level)
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01-09-2021, 11:45 AM #12
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Don't you worry. The Dems are stupid. They'll over reach and in the next election cycle or two will usher in a new crew.
Let's see if they've learned. If they don't present policies for the folks that ushered them in... The above will happen.
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