Pence calls Nancie’s bluff. Won’t use 25th

**pickles** · 01-19-2021, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by 2bynight

Of course they invaded because of Trump. You always need someone to light the fuse for a mob. Trump was the spark for weeks and weeks stating the election was a fraud. Had he not said that or to march tot he Capitol there would not have been an invasion.

Trump is a symptom; he is not the disease.

Again, you all have little idea of the currents through which you move.

Largely because you have terrible educations (intentional) and are subjected to non-stop brainwashing.

**Dirt1** · 01-19-2021, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by pickles

People weren't storming the Capitol out of loyalty to Trump.

They were doing it because they believe they have been disenfranchised and the current government is illegal and illegitimate.

The idea that you all think everybody is just hypnotized by Donald Trump and incapable of free thought is laughable, and mostly projection.

Getting rid of Trump won't solve the problems.

Maybe you'll need to see it play out to understand that.

Well, grab a seat and watch.

Those people believe they were disenfranchised because Trump lied and told them so. He told them that because his fragile ego couldn’t accept the fact that he lost the election. The people who stormed the Capitol were just gullible enough to believe him. Biden won the 2020 election fairly, just as Trump won the 2016 election fairly.

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**pickles** · 01-19-2021, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

Those people believe they were disenfranchised because Trump lied and told them so. He told them that because his fragile ego couldn’t accept the fact that he lost the election. The people who stormed the Capitol were just gullible enough to believe him. Biden won the 2020 election fairly, just as Trump won the 2016 election fairly.

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Again, you can keep saying that.

Millions, tens of millions, of Americans reject that.

And it isn't because Trump told them so.

**NCRAVEN** · 01-19-2021, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

Those people believe they were disenfranchised because Trump lied and told them so. He told them that because his fragile ego couldn’t accept the fact that he lost the election. The people who stormed the Capitol were just gullible enough to believe him. Biden won the 2020 election fairly, just as Trump won the 2016 election fairly.

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That is completely BS.

We posted PAGES AND PAGES of evidence of fraud and you ignored it.

We saw it with our own eyes while you buried your head in the sand.

**pickles** · 01-19-2021, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

That is completely BS.

We posted PAGES AND PAGES of evidence of fraud and you ignored it.

We saw it with our own eyes while you buried your head in the sand.

So you're gullible. You believe what you see with your own eyes over what CNN tells you.

How gullible can you be?

**Dirt1** · 01-19-2021, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by pickles

Again, you can keep saying that.

Millions, tens of millions, of Americans reject that.

And it isn't because Trump told them so.

Really? Do you believe those people would have still felt that way if Trump had not falsely claimed the election was stolen?

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**Dirt1** · 01-19-2021, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

That is completely BS.

We posted PAGES AND PAGES of evidence of fraud and you ignored it.

We saw it with our own eyes while you buried your head in the sand.

You have conspiracy theories, not evidence of election fraud. That was proven over and over again in one court after another.

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**pickles** · 01-19-2021, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

Really? Do you believe those people would have still felt that way if Trump had not falsely claimed the election was stolen?

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We're talking at cross points.

I believe the election was stolen. I can provide thousands of witness testimonies which collobrate that. I can provide dozens of mathmeticians and data analysts who will colloborate that. I can even show you videos of them illegally destroying ballots and illegally counting ballots.

You believe the election wasn't stolen. You can provide me op-eds from outrageously biased sources. At best you can provide me quotes from the people in charge of making sure the election wasn't fraudulent, saying it wasn't fraudulent.

I believe the election was stolen because of what I listed above. Donald Trump's words on the matter have very little effect on my opinion. I'm not unusual in that.

**pickles** · 01-19-2021, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

You have conspiracy theories, not evidence of election fraud. That was proven over and over again in one court after another.

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You're so full of shit. You don't even believe what you're saying.

**pickles** · 01-19-2021, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

Really? Do you believe those people would have still felt that way if Trump had not falsely claimed the election was stolen?

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They're much more swayed by the video of them illegally counting ballots than they are the words of DJT.

**pickles** · 01-19-2021, 05:39 PM

And I'll add, again, for the slow folks:

It doesn't matter if there was election fraud or if there wasn 't election fraud. No minds are going to be changed here today.

What does matter is tens of millions of Americans think Joe Biden was fraudulently elected.

That's reality.

Now, good luck governing them. You're going to need it.

**NCRAVEN** · 01-19-2021, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by pickles

You're so full of shit. You don't even believe what you're saying.

I could have some respect for him if he said there was fraud and he was okay with it. But to have no integrity whatsoever, even to the point of lying to yourself and pretending we never posted evidence.... I've got more respect for what I flushed after my morning cup of coffee this morning.