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  1. #25

    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Not necessarily. What I'm saying is that if there were to be a free market competitive option for social media, it would require someone with seriously deep pockets. That's why I think the government, against my principles, probably should step in here and break up Twitter, Facebook, Google, and Amazon.

    Amazon has been building and buying server farms for a long time now. The AWS (Amazon's Cloud infrastructure) exclusively is used by the Fed government and most state/local/tribal orgs as well. They knew a long time ago that if they controlled a majority of the cloud servers, they could control what was hosted on the internet and what wasn't.

    The gov could easily go after the Amazon, Facebook, google and Twitter for collusion. The past 10 days (probably the past 4 years, but now just out in the open) they are all acting as a group. When the first makes a move, the rest all follow.

    If there were a fair government, they could go after them for election fraud. Their actions could be categorized as campaign contributions. Giving one party free publicity, while silencing the opposition.





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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad the lad View Post
    The gov could easily go after the Amazon, Facebook, google and Twitter for collusion. The past 10 days (probably the past 4 years, but now just out in the open) they are all acting as a group. When the first makes a move, the rest all follow.

    If there were a fair government, they could go after them for election fraud. Their actions could be categorized as campaign contributions. Giving one party free publicity, while silencing the opposition.
    I donít think government intervention against their monopolies is the right move. Better would be a change of laws, make them more accountable to their users.





  3. #27

    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleG View Post
    I donít think government intervention against their monopolies is the right move. Better would be a change of laws, make them more accountable to their users.
    I read where people asked their internet provider to block them from being able to be accessed and the company obliged





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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleG View Post
    I donít think government intervention against their monopolies is the right move. Better would be a change of laws, make them more accountable to their users.
    It's an anti trust issue, SM platforms like Facebook and Twitter have a larger userbase/market cap than Bell did when it was broken up in 1982.

    That and their selective enforcement of their TOS.





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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    I think the term "fascist" itself isn't well understood.

    Fascism isn't necessarily a bad form of government, in fact if it was done right, I see it as a far superior form of government to the one we currently have. It's not like communism where people joke about "if only it was done correctly, it could work", fascism really could work. Fascism is more socialistic in the sense that all citizens are prevented from getting too rich or too poor, which would appeal to many progressives of today. People would be on an A-Z level of income where nobody goes above A and nobody falls below Z. Industries are regulated by the government to ensure they serve the good of the people (theoretically), which would destroy large multinational corporations from exploiting resources, ruining the local environment, etc. However, free markets would otherwise be tolerated, class differences would be tolerated, it would just be managed with the common good in mind and regulated. Sure there are flaws in this system too, but it's ironically a better alternative for progressives than finance capitalism where all decisions are made only to appease shareholders, to the detriment of customers, locals in the community, etc.

    The big issue with fascism working in the U.S. is that there is no common culture across people of different ethnicities, religions, ideologies etc. to unify behind. No incentive to serve the greater community because there's no sense of community. Maybe "Ravens fans" could be the thing that unites people across these boundaries.





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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack View Post
    I think the term "fascist" itself isn't well understood.

    Fascism isn't necessarily a bad form of government, in fact if it was done right, I see it as a far superior form of government to the one we currently have. It's not like communism where people joke about "if only it was done correctly, it could work", fascism really could work. Fascism is more socialistic in the sense that all citizens are prevented from getting too rich or too poor, which would appeal to many progressives of today. People would be on an A-Z level of income where nobody goes above A and nobody falls below Z. Industries are regulated by the government to ensure they serve the good of the people (theoretically), which would destroy large multinational corporations from exploiting resources, ruining the local environment, etc. However, free markets would otherwise be tolerated, class differences would be tolerated, it would just be managed with the common good in mind and regulated. Sure there are flaws in this system too, but it's ironically a better alternative for progressives than finance capitalism where all decisions are made only to appease shareholders, to the detriment of customers, locals in the community, etc.

    The big issue with fascism working in the U.S. is that there is no common culture across people of different ethnicities, religions, ideologies etc. to unify behind. No incentive to serve the greater community because there's no sense of community. Maybe "Ravens fans" could be the thing that unites people across these boundaries.
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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Sorry for that tangent, but it does seem the left is the more authoritarian side of the political spectrum. I think that's a better term to describe it.

    The only thing where the right comes off authoritarian is with their position on abortion and gay marriage, where the left takes the individual liberty stance. Otherwise, the left wants to control what fuel you use, what speakers are allowed to visit college campuses, what people get access to the vast infrastructure of Twitter, Google, YouTube, Facebook, what guns you're allowed to own, what you choose to wear on your face or not, what pronouns you're supposed to say, etc. They also have the institutional power to enforce it, while the right doesn't, which makes them more dangerous. And worst of all, they're convinced they're doing the right thing, so they are largely incapable of being convinced their tyranny is a bad thing.





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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    You're shitting me right?
    You were taught to react that way. Conditioning. Notice you raised zero specific objections. That's a tell.





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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack View Post
    You were taught to react that way. Conditioning. Notice you raised zero specific objections. That's a tell.
    I can raise them, but I'm not sure I have a sane person to argue with who thinks facism is a good thing. YES, lets silence our opposition, sounds wonderful.
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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I can raise them, but I'm not sure I have a sane person to argue with who thinks facism is a good thing. YES, lets silence our opposition, sounds wonderful.
    In a healthy fascist country, there wouldn't be much opposition to silence, it works best among a community of like-minded people. Example, let's say you're against drag queen story hour coming to your kid's elementary school. Let's say 9 in 10 people agree, 1 in 10 opposes. That 1 in ten would be marginalized, so they flee to California where drag queens are worshipped like deities. Everyone wins. You get the drag queens out, they get to go down on them if they're so inclined, everyone gets what they want.





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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack View Post
    I think the term "fascist" itself isn't well understood.

    Fascism isn't necessarily a bad form of government, in fact if it was done right, I see it as a far superior form of government to the one we currently have. It's not like communism where people joke about "if only it was done correctly, it could work", fascism really could work. Fascism is more socialistic in the sense that all citizens are prevented from getting too rich or too poor, which would appeal to many progressives of today. People would be on an A-Z level of income where nobody goes above A and nobody falls below Z. Industries are regulated by the government to ensure they serve the good of the people (theoretically), which would destroy large multinational corporations from exploiting resources, ruining the local environment, etc. However, free markets would otherwise be tolerated, class differences would be tolerated, it would just be managed with the common good in mind and regulated. Sure there are flaws in this system too, but it's ironically a better alternative for progressives than finance capitalism where all decisions are made only to appease shareholders, to the detriment of customers, locals in the community, etc.

    The big issue with fascism working in the U.S. is that there is no common culture across people of different ethnicities, religions, ideologies etc. to unify behind. No incentive to serve the greater community because there's no sense of community. Maybe "Ravens fans" could be the thing that unites people across these boundaries.
    Fascism, Socialism, and Communism are all political ideology that is predicated on citizens working towards a "common" objective, good, goal...whatever. Your point that we don't have a "common" culture in the US is spot on. The US was built on individuality and self-reliance. Everyone is their own king and everyone's property their own kingdom.

    Thus, those political and social ideologies that are built around the idea of everyone working for eachother and working towards a common objective is in diametric opposition to that of the "American" way of life - especially now.

    When religion started to be replaced by political and entertainment idolatry, we lost a lot of values and morals that made us more similar than different.

    If we want to get back to a place where we all can share similar core values, we have to collectively stop idolizing people like Trump, Obama, Pelosi, McConnell, Brad Pitt, Beyonce, Lebron James, etc.
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    Re: Who are the fascists?

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack View Post
    In a healthy fascist country, there wouldn't be much opposition to silence, it works best among a community of like-minded people. Example, let's say you're against drag queen story hour coming to your kid's elementary school. Let's say 9 in 10 people agree, 1 in 10 opposes. That 1 in ten would be marginalized, so they flee to California where drag queens are worshipped like deities. Everyone wins. You get the drag queens out, they get to go down on them if they're so inclined, everyone gets what they want.


    Not a fan of drag queens or things similar, but that's not the type of society I want to live in so I'll pass.
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