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01-11-2021, 05:20 AM #13
Re: If you say it enough, it will be believed.
I honestly don't know anybody personally who thinks Obama was born in Kenya and every person in my family voted for Trump.
"A moron, a rapist, and a Pittsburgh Steeler walk into a bar. He sits down and says, “Hi I’m Ben may I have a drink please?”
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01-11-2021, 09:05 AM #14Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: If you say it enough, it will be believed.
No no no. This feels like you trying to invalidate people's concerns about the integrity of the last election simply because Trump said so. When all the rule changes were announced last summer is when I remember people immediately saying it was a bad thing. I remember the attorney general voicing some of those concerns. Chain of custody of how ballots were handled getting less secure etc.. Plus the way it unfolded kind of reinforced a lot of those pre-existing feelings. Lead changes in the middle of the night with ballot dumps etc..
I said on another thread it should not be possible to doubt the integrity to the point where people can believe something like this and stand by that.
I am not sure why people harp on incidents like that. I never believed Obama was a muslim. I don't even believe he's a practicing Christian though either. He strikes me as a secular non-practicing "christian" that had to attend Church as part of the facade a politician trying to have broad appeal has to maintain.
DJ, this has been building up for a long time and the blame can be shared equally on the left and the right. We've normalized this over the last 4 years. This was inevitable and predictable.
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01-11-2021, 09:08 AM #15Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: If you say it enough, it will be believed.
I know. I would say it's lazy thinking but a better way to describe it is "simplistic".
Though I'm aware of that claim because he mentions it, it's not even a thing that occupies any part of my consciousness when thinking about Obama. It's like trying to brand 74 million people as "QAnon" people. It's convenient because it is kind of a smear that says "crazy, gullible, stupid". I have zero awareness of QAnon as well and don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. I can't name one thing that person has said or what he/she is all about.
Then again I'm not a Twitiot (not referring to you DJ) nor am I on Facebook.
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01-11-2021, 09:26 AM #16
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01-11-2021, 09:43 AM #17Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: If you say it enough, it will be believed.
It's like how they get mad when some guys on the right fall back on things that are conveniently used to smear everyone on the left i.e. Antifa, Portland Protests etc..
If we can try to agree the fringe and bad actors are not remotely representative of the whole we will have made good progress.
There is a common thread of anarchism between both groups though. I posted a link to a podcast that is worth listening to on another thread. This isn't the type of thing the lends itself to short form type discussions and sound bite type arguments that we are normally spoon fed by the media and you really have to risk being seen as an outcast and traitor by both sides to have an honest discussion about it.
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01-11-2021, 10:25 AM #19
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01-11-2021, 10:27 AM #20
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01-11-2021, 12:14 PM #21Veteran Poster
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01-11-2021, 06:31 PM #22
Re: If you say it enough, it will be believed.
Okay, now let me turn around and ask you a similar question.
Why is it democrats always believe the narrative of an innocent black person being gunned down by racist police even after all the evidence has come out? The Floyd riots were far more destructive than the Capitol riots, and continued even after it was proven he died of an overdose. Kamala Harris told a rapist who was shot while in the process of kidnapping three children that she was proud of him. More riots. An officer was shot while serving a legal warrant and during the ensuing return fire, the person whose name was on the warrant was shot and killed. More riots."A moron, a rapist, and a Pittsburgh Steeler walk into a bar. He sits down and says, “Hi I’m Ben may I have a drink please?”
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01-11-2021, 06:34 PM #23Veteran Poster
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01-11-2021, 06:59 PM #24
Re: If you say it enough, it will be believed.
You can't want unfettered capitalism and then be angry when private companies decide to exclude ppl for whatever reason.
This is the power of money in the US. Its spiraled put of control.... in large part to the two party system
There are huge companies that have monopolized information.
The right has classically championed to be big business and classically the left is at least thought to pretend to be more prone to monopoly busting.
We need a third party. Because the two will never agree because they think it looks weak to their radical bases.
Businesses are too big. There are too few who have too much power right now.
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