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01-01-2021, 11:34 PM #49Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: The Responsibility of Natural Gifts
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But Bc, how can we determine that quickly, that it ‘won’t’ work? It sounds like we’re never going to try again. And even for QBs where it eventually works, they all have their issues and obstacles to overcome along the way. It’s not all smooth sailing in the growth process in that regard.
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I guess, aside from my rambling, it just bothers me that kids with athletic gifts at a young age, are being deprived of being taught the position properly, as coaches emphasize their legs more, sacrificing their long-term development, for those short-term wins. And then when they reach this level, that ‘running QB’ is what they are locked into. So now, instead of potentially having the 15 year career at the top of a division, they’ll have maybe a good 5 years, their body will begin to betray them, their passing growth won’t be sufficient enough and they will fade away.
You can still properly learn the position, and still use those athletic gifts at your own discretion.
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01-02-2021, 06:28 PM #53Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: The Responsibility of Natural Gifts
Ex, keep in mind that LJ will only be 24 (Jan. 7th) and has time to mature and grow as a QB. It's difficult trying to make him something he just is not ready to be yet... or perhaps ever. Therefore, let him use his G-d given, natural talent (his legs) until he's ready to make the next step (I think there's a pun there?)... Bc
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Re: The Responsibility of Natural Gifts
The make 3-D models of your movement. It's the same process they use for video games. Golfers have been doing it for a while to get exact measurements of their swings.
For example, they can measure your hip angle, shoulder turn and how you place your head as you swing. It's the same with throwing a football. You might open your hips up quicker if you can place you head in a particular spot. It's about getting data to use analytics based on motion.
With Allen the big change was in arm angle for throws. Some guys like Lamar, Mahomes and Rivers will throw whatever feels comfortable. That didn't work for Allen. By mapping out his motion he was taught what angle worked best for him and he tries to use that on every throw. It's apparently the secret behind his accuracy improvements.
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01-02-2021, 06:43 PM #55Four-eyed Raven
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Re: The Responsibility of Natural Gifts
I agree that there will be the temptation to use a dual threat QB as a rusher only, especially at the youth levels.
That touches on a whole more complicated conversation that imho is too nuanced for a sports message board. But, even that is changing; take Kyler Murray and Jaylen Hurts at OK for example.
But on the whole; I think you are stuck in a false dichotomy. The choice to develop a dual threat isn’t an either/or proposition. Just because a QB is used in the run game doesn’t mean they won’t or can’t also be developed to their full extent as passer.
It gets slippery because your definition of what constitutes developing the QB as “pocket passer” is undefined. It seems to center on passing attempts and whether or not the QB is used in the run game.
I don’t agree that either is a good measure of whether a QB is a good pocket passer.
The MVP Lamar Jackson was used in the run game and had a low volume of passing attempts. He was number 1 in TD from the pocket, led the league in TD passes, had a good completion percentage and was good on 3rd down.
Regardless of the “type” QB; becoming a fully developed passer is a multi year process that involves developing of the QB and having the right scheme and the right weapons. And using that QB in the run game doesn’t have to preclude their development as passer. If Brady could have been used in the run game back when he was a young game managing QB Bellicheck absolutely would have.
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01-02-2021, 09:49 PM #57Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: The Responsibility of Natural Gifts
Ha ha ha ! Yeah it was "coaching" with Joe and not that he was surrounded with talent and due to his "natural gifts". Ha ha ha ha!
Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Anquan Bolden, Ed Dixon, Ray Rice, Dennis Pitta, Vonta Leach...
Joe had a lot of talent around him in 2012..On both sides of the ball...
And it sure as hell wasn't "coaching" that he had the cannon to throw a ball over coverage in -20 degree weather in Q4 in Denver to keep our season alive. That coverage was broken by his arm...Joe's "natural gifts". Not coachable. He broke the defense with his arm.
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Re: The Responsibility of Natural Gifts
"Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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And yet, without those, he developed Brady the way that he did. Whereas, does he do that if he can just lean on Brady's legs? Brady is one of the best pocket passers we've ever seen. His movement within the pocket, the way he manipulates the pocket with such.
A.) Does Brady become who he is today is so much emphasis is taken away from his passing development and placed to his running ability? We're not dealing with infinite time here. There is only so much time to train, study, coach and play. That time has to be divided up.
B.) Would Brady have lasted 20 years at a high level?"Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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Considering the school that Joe Flacco came from and the success The Ravens had with him then I would say they definitely didn't do a bad job with developing him. Could things have been better ? Yes it could but it is what it is. Flacco was probably a more polished passer than Lamar Jackson was though .
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