Ravens pass-catchers thru 11

[JimZipCode]

Last week:

https://forum.russellstreetreport.co...tchers-thru-10

Not much to say this week.

Player	Targ	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Y/Targ
Willie Snead	40	28	379	13.5	3	9.5
Devin Duvernay	23	18	199	11.1	0	8.7
Marquise Brown	67	36	516	14.3	3	7.7
Mark Andrews	60	38	454	11.9	6	7.6
Mark Ingram	7	5	49	9.8	0	7.0
Miles Boykin	23	14	153	10.9	1	6.7
Nick Boyle	17	14	113	8.1	2	6.6
Gus Edwards	7	3	42	14.0	0	6.0
J.K. Dobbins	22	17	103	6.1	0	4.7
James Proche	3	1	14	14.0	0	4.7
Dez Bryant	7	4	28	7.0	0	4.0
Patrick Ricard	7	5	24	4.8	1	3.4
Justice Hill	3	3	8	2.7	0	2.7
Luke Willson	2	0	0	–	0	0.0

Here is every intended receiver from the game vs Steelers:

Player	YPT
Marquise	10.6
Duvernay	6.7
Justice	2.5
Dez	0.0
Luke Willson	0.0
Proche	0.0

I guess we all hope that Marquise "broke thru" in this game. The counter-argument is, other than the defensive breakdown at the end of the game, Marquise was sitting on 2.1 yards-per-target, his 4th awful game in the last 5. But then the counter-counter is, the whole point of game-breaking speed is to punish defensive mistakes.

I dunno.

Target Distribution

WR	Targ	TE	Targ	RB	Targ
Marquise	67	Mandrews	60	Dobbins	22
Snead	40	Boyle	17	Ingram	7
Boykin	23	Luke Willson	2	Gus	7
Duvernay	23			Ricard	7
Dez	7			Justice	3
Proche	3
—	—	—	—	—	—
	163		79		46
WR	56.6%	TE	27.4%	RB	16.0%
Last Year:	42.9%	Last Year:	42.5%	Last Year:	14.6%
NFL avg:	60%	NFL avg:	21%	NFL avg:	20%

One more new name on the targets list this week.

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Alright goddammit, I'll just say one last thing about Boykin.


Look at Duvernay's targets. I think most fans here agree that Duvernay has been under-utilized, right? Most would have rather seen Duvernay get more targets on the season so far? Thru 11 games now, Duvernay has more targets than Boykin got thru all of last season. So whatever we've been doing to bring along this year's 3rd-rd WR and get production out of him, is still much more per-game than we did to bring along last year's 3rd-rd WR and get production out of him.

That's ridiculous. It's capricious, arbitrary, careless. Irresponsible.

Just for funsies, here's Boykin vs Duvernay thru the first 11 games of their rookie seasons:

Thru 11 games of rookie season

Player	Targ	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Y/Targ
Miles Boykin	18	11	185	16.8	2	10.3
Devin Duvernay	23	18	199	11.1	0	8.7

Duvernay with the higher catch%; but that includes some jet sweeps and I think screens. Boykin was head-up on the cornerback.

(Boykin also tailed off badly after game 11 last year, but hush.)

We're going to give up on Boykin and wind up letting him walk. But where, really, was the opportunity?
How are we ever going to develop any #2 or #3 WR, without giving them reps & targets?
Y'all don't think we're using Duvernay enough; it's the exact same question.


Ok, that's my last word on it. I'm off the topic until something changes (we either use him or move him).

[edromeo]

Boykin vs Duvernay this year:

Thru today

Player	Targ	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Y/Targ	REC%	Drops/Drp Grd
Miles Boykin	23	14	153	10.9	1	6.7	64	0 / 81
Devin Duvernay	23	18	199	11.1	0	8.7	82	1 / 70

Duvernay with the higher catch%; but that includes some jet sweeps and I think screens. Boykin was head-up on the cornerback.

We're going to give up on Boykin and wind up letting him walk. But where, really, was the opportunity?
How are we ever going to develop any #2 or #3 WR, without giving them reps & targets?
Y'all don't think we're using Duvernay enough; it's the exact same question.

Ok, that's my last word on it. I'm off the topic until something changes (we either use him or move him).

Good work once again JZ. I added their reception % and drop grade.

2 receivers with similar production but playing in vastly different roles with vastly different perceptions.

Context matters.

Duvernay's receptions mainly come from the slot and they consist of a bunch of screens, pitch passes to go along with some uncontested short slant routes that were basically screens. Basically easy receptions.

The bulk of Miles routes come from lining up as an outside receiver and actually having to beat a CB that is contesting the route.

Boykin has a lower catch rate because the degree of difficulty of the throw is harder because when you look at the drop rate Boykin is the only receiver on the roster without a drop. The delta between his reception % and his drop % speaks to the 'fault' of the failed reception are due to other factors. The irony is the last time Boykin received targets he made 2 difficult diving catches (1 for a TD); he was open on his 3rd target but it was a incomplete (which lowers his reception %) Boykin got open but the pass was thrown behind him.

[FruitPunch]

This is some really good analysis. I agree, how can we expect any receivers to develop if we don't give them the targets. It seems like the mental game and confidence is very important in the wr position and by reducing the opportunities there is not enough margin for errors or rough patches which are a necessary part of player growth. Side note: Maybe the mental aspect of the game is why the so called "diva" wrs are among the most successful as they can tune out the noise by believing in themselves to the point of being delusional

[QtR Nevermore]

We're going to give up on Boykin and wind up letting him walk. But where, really, was the opportunity?
How are we ever going to develop any #2 or #3 WR, without giving them reps & targets?
Y'all don't think we're using Duvernay enough; it's the exact same question.

I agree. Everyone and their dog knew that the Ravens needed more passes to WRs and to the outside this season and they haven't done it at all. What really infuriates me is that they've barely even tried it.

It's rare that I don't feel jealous when I watch other team's offensive schemes these days. Even if they don't have the players, most teams at least seem to try to create advantages. The Ravens are doing nothing whatsoever to make the players lives easier.

The league has managed to stop the Ravens' foundational play of RB up the middle/Lamar to the outside that made everything else work last season and how has Roman adapted?

His plan B seems to consist of Lamar diving between the tackles or running around until someone either opens up in the middle of the field or he gets sacked.

That seems to be the offensive identity of the 2020 Ravens and it makes all those old predictions that Lamar will inevitably get injured much more likely. All those hits on sacks and dives up the middle are adding up.

No one's going to develop in an offense like that and we can see the evidence in the almost across the board regression of the Ravens offensive players.

[JimZipCode]

Boykin vs Duvernay this year:

...

I added their reception % and drop grade.

Any chance you could relabel that last column? The way it's written, looks like Boykin has 81 drops vs Duvernay's 70.

Maybe "Drp Grd" or something?

[QtR Nevermore]

Any chance you could relabel that last column? The way it's written, looks like Boykin has 81 drops vs Duvernay's 70.

Maybe "Drp Grd" or something?

I bet a few people around here could believe that Boykin has 81 drops on 23 targets.

[edromeo]

I bet a few people around here could believe that Boykin has 81 drops on 23 targets.

Lol, true.