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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    You have the patience of Job...

    I gave up replying to him awhile ago.
    I'm still trying to puzzle out what his actual advocacy is





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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    "Far Right Video" LOL...

    It's a video of Joe Biden.

    bragging about withholding US Aid until a prosecutor was fired.

    That's the only content. No commentary... No Opinion.. Nothing...

    Just Joe.
    The commentary in the beginning was false. That's the text on screen at the beginning. It's also in the description:

    The date typo on the opening screen is corrected below:

    In 2016 Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, in his investigation of corruption involving Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company, identified Hunter Biden as the recipient of over $3,000,000 from the company.

    Not wanting this corruption exposed, Joe Biden swung into action, using US loan guarantees as hostage while demanding Skokin be fired.

    Amazingly, Joe Biden now brags about his actions in this matter.

    Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma. He wasn't investigating Biden. He was fired because he wasn't investigating corruption. If you see anyone claiming Shokin was fired for investigating Biden that's a tell the person is an ignorant, far right moron.

    From October 15th, 2015, the Kyiv Post: Sobolev’s case for firing Shokin steadily gains momentum


    March 29th, 2016: UPDATE: Parliament sacks Prosecutor General Shokin

    Hunter Biden isn't mentioned in either story. What is mentioned in both is Shokin wasn't investigating corruption, and that's why so many wanted him out.





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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    No one suggested he was investigating Hunter Biden.

    He was investigating Burisma.

    Hunter Biden was being paid an enormous amount of money by Burisma.

    Hunter Biden was asked by a corporate offficer of Burisma to arrange a meeting with Joe Biden.

    Joe Biden originally denied that this meeting took place.

    Joe Biden's spokesman has subsequently conceded that this meeting "may have taken place".

    Two days later, Joe Biden officially demanded that the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma be fired, and stated that he would withhold US Aid unless it was done.

    The prosecutor was fired.

    Joe Biden then publicly disclosed in an interview with members of the Council on Foreign Relations, that he had threatened to withhold US Aid until prosecutor was fired.

    Biden later claimed that his demand that the prosecutor be fired was an official US Policy initiative executed on behalf of the Obama administration.

    There is no official White House transcript or meeting note that affirms that this was US Policy being executed.

    Those are the facts.
    Those are not facts. I'm curious what YouTube channel you watched that made you think those are facts.

    A lot of people have claimed Shokin was investigating Biden. Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma, either, so that goalpost moving doesn't save you.

    Biden did demand the prosecutor get fired, and he did tell Poroshenko the loan guarantees (not US Aid) would be denied if he didn't. That was the policy of the United States, set by the President. As Trump loves to tell us, the President can do that. He has an Article II that lets him do whatever he wants. Biden, despite his boasting, was just a messenger boy, though he did allude to that fact when he describes Poroshenko saying Biden didn't have the authority and Biden told him to call Obama.

    There are a lot of documents supporting that this was US policy, and that was testified to before the House Judiciary Committee by both George Kent and Marie Yovanovich.





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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    The commentary in the beginning was false. That's the text on screen at the beginning. It's also in the description:




    Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma. He wasn't investigating Biden. He was fired because he wasn't investigating corruption. If you see anyone claiming Shokin was fired for investigating Biden that's a tell the person is an ignorant, far right moron.

    From October 15th, 2015, the Kyiv Post: Sobolev’s case for firing Shokin steadily gains momentum


    March 29th, 2016: UPDATE: Parliament sacks Prosecutor General Shokin

    Hunter Biden isn't mentioned in either story. What is mentioned in both is Shokin wasn't investigating corruption, and that's why so many wanted him out.
    Why do you keep repeating that the prosecutor wasn't investigating Biden?

    No one has suggested that he was, and in fact it has been refuted.

    Trying to muddy the waters isn't helping your case.

    Gaslighting is not the same as putting forth a valid argument.

    Burisma wanted the prosecutor fired.

    Burisma asked Hunter to set up a meeting with Joe.

    Joe met with Burisma.

    Joe said.. fire the prosecutor or no aid.

    Prosecutor fired.

    Hunter gets rich.

    End of story.





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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    Why do you keep repeating that the prosecutor wasn't investigating Biden?

    No one has suggested that he was, and in fact it has been refuted.
    Trump and many others have claimed Biden had Shokin fired because Shokin was investigating his son.

    Trying to muddy the waters isn't helping your case.

    Gaslighting is not the same as putting forth a valid argument.
    You should stop doing it.

    Burisma wanted the prosecutor fired.
    No evidence has been put forward that says that, and Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma. He was fired in part because he wasn't investigating Burisma or Zlochevsky, its founder.

    Burisma asked Hunter to set up a meeting with Joe.

    Joe met with Burisma.

    Joe said.. fire the prosecutor or no aid.

    Prosecutor fired.
    This is an unsupported fantasy. One that isn't even supported by the unauthenticated emails from Rudy's blind computer repair guy. The two emails supposedly between two Burisma officials (Hunter Biden and Vadym Pozharskyi)- even if accepted as genuine- are from 2014. Shokin was fired in 2016.


    Hunter gets rich.

    End of story.
    And? The scandal in that is what?



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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    The essence of Bobulinski's bombshell is that he and private citizens Joe and Hunter Biden had a business together with a Chinese company.

    That's what the Trumpist right is screaming is a scandal.

    It's clear from many conversations I've had since this came out that not a single Trump supporter who is ranting about it has actually given it any thought. They've been told to get outraged and so they are.

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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    The essence of Bobulinski's bombshell is that he and private citizens Joe and Hunter Biden had a business together with a Chinese company.

    That's what the Trumpist right is screaming is a scandal.

    It's clear from many conversations I've had since this came out that not a single Trump supporter who is ranting about it has actually given it any thought. They've been told to get outraged and so they are.

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    It doesn't seem to concern you at all that the "business" they were doing with a Chinese company involved them providing nothing. No investment. No purchase. No service. No product. They brought nothing to the "business deal" at all.

    They were just paid enormous sums of cash for.... being them.

    And now... facing the idea of being elected president, we have a Chinese Communist Government Owned "business" that paid tens of millions of dollars to Joe Biden, and his brother... and his son... just because they were them... that now has expectations on their "business investment".

    And the opportunity to compel the behaviors they desire from their "business partners".. lest they publicly disclose their "business deal".

    I'm sure this is all just "business" to you.

    But it's not to me.





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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    Why do you keep repeating that the prosecutor wasn't investigating Biden?

    No one has suggested that he was, and in fact it has been refuted.

    Trying to muddy the waters isn't helping your case.

    Gaslighting is not the same as putting forth a valid argument.

    Burisma wanted the prosecutor fired.

    Burisma asked Hunter to set up a meeting with Joe.

    Joe met with Burisma.

    Joe said.. fire the prosecutor or no aid.

    Prosecutor fired.

    Hunter gets rich.

    End of story.
    Again, a GOP led committee with all the power couldn't find any of this. Wall Street journal just debunks some of the crap Trump said last night.

    It's desperate this is the main arrow in their bow to try to disqualify Biden. Another conspiracy theory.

    Funny how this "bomb shell" comes out two weeks before election. Using the same playbook as 2016. Surprisingly though, the FBI and DOJ is not having press conferences. Tells you everything you need to know.

    Meanwhile, Trump has pending corruption charges in the state of New York. But you'll say, that is a hit job! Avoiding the fact Trump is doing the same thing... especially since these "bomb shells" are coming from sources that are outside of government investigation bodies. Remember, the GOP investigators wanted to find things... And basically found nothing.

    All this does is whip up the base.

    Do you believe Hunter and Joe watch that child pornography that is supposedly on that laptop. The laptop that the FBI had and supposedly missed finding said pornography. The FBI needs to update their scanning software! Lies on top of lies....DESPERATION!!!!

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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by owknows View Post
    I'm still trying to puzzle out what his actual advocacy is
    I always hoped he was one of those guys that gets paid to go online and post the dem party line. But he’s here way too much





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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by ddr_jr View Post

    Do you believe Hunter and Joe watch that child pornography that is supposedly on that laptop. The laptop that the FBI had and supposedly missed finding said pornography. The FBI needs to update their scanning software! Lies on top of lies....DESPERATION!!!!

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    Anthony Weiner... Ed Buck... Jeffrey Epstein....Tony Podesta...

    Is this even a serious question?





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    Re: Hunter biz partner confirms email, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China: Goodwin

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Let's assume that Biden's son profited off his pops connections. Do you think this is unique? Politicians and family making money while in office.

    How is this any different than politicians getting favors from lobbyist? Do you think the Trump family has turned these folks away? They are not influenced? The swamp. Everybody is in it... Especially this president. Right, but Trump can't be bought! The number one reason why he hasn't released his taxes.... It will show that he is bought and leveraged.

    I'm not replying to you... Just the video itself.


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