Ravens pass-catchers at the bye

[edromeo]

Another issue i have with the rotation of WRs - specialization

Specialization in football is a bad thing.
And right now our receivers are highly specialized.
If Duvernay is in you know its gonna be some type of gadget play and he's likely gonna get the ball.
Duvernay doesn't run a full route tree and rarely lines up outside the slot. Quick slant-screens, jet sweeps, and some vertical clear outs. Doesn't receive deep targets.
Miles is the "stop" route, slant guy and bootleg shallow crossers but they don't use double moves nor target him deep within the flow of play.
Snead runs drags and crossers, doesn't run deep routes or verticals or slants.

[JimZipCode]

Talking about "new WR" = talking about Pryor from me.

You're out of your mind.

Terrelle Pryor is 31 yrs old, has been out of football for two yearsm and hasn't been good in *SEVEN* years. He's done. He's not an option.

[pslholder96]

You're out of your mind.

Terrelle Pryor is 31 yrs old, has been out of football for two yearsm and hasn't been good in *SEVEN* years. He's done. He's not an option.

He's been mentioning him a lot. Me thinking he's got some personal connection to him.

[BcRaven]

I think we'll see a change at the bye. Boykin to WR4, Duvernay getting his snaps. I think we saw it down the stretch today (after his awful route at Q3, 01:47).

Yes oc21, the handwriting's on the wall. It's too soon to tell, but Duv seems to have that electric excitement with the ball in his hands. Hopefully he can create some sort of chemistry with LJ and it will pay off with more WR snaps. Perhaps his 1st receiving TD will do the trick... Bc

[Mmcclend]

He's been mentioning him a lot. Me thinking he's got some personal connection to him.

Forreal though. Pryor sucks.

[PTORaven]

love Snead, he is a chain mover. He is at least getting more targets that previously

my point is that he ISN'T getting targets. had 2.8/game last season and 2.5/game so far this season. and 2.5 targets a game is TOO LOW for the player that appears to be the 2nd best WR on the team at the moment (Duvernay and Proche could both pass him with a little more experience, Boykin could theoretically surpass him, but right now he's the second best WR i see out there). and there isn't anything that i can see that's clearly wrong with him to explain it.

and everyone's calling to trade for a WR. would be nice to pick up someone else, but i'm not convinced that would make even a slight difference if they don't even know how to properly utilize what they currently have. teams are having success loading the box to stop the run and bracketing Brown and Andrews. what does that leave? leaves some nice holes. let the vet find some holes for some short gains. force either the secondary to adjust or force the D to cool it on stopping the run. he doesn't have to take the game over. he doesn't need to be getting 10 targets, but jeez they barely have to defend him at 2.5 targets a game. we're letting teams stuff the box and bracket andrews/hollywood. we're just letting them do it. and eveyone wants to see more Duvernay or pick apart Boykin or talk WR trade. there's one really easy fix sitting right there and nobody's even mentioning it

[PTORaven]

Remember that these numbers "overstate" the effectiveness of the passing offense, because sacks & throwaways aren't included.

Last week: https://forum.russellstreetreport.co...atchers-thru-5

Player	Targ	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Y/Targ
Willie Snead	15	11	149	13.5	1	9.9
Marquise Brown	42	26	376	14.5	1	9.0
Devin Duvernay	12	10	90	9.0	0	7.5
Mark Andrews	33	20	243	12.2	5	7.4
Miles Boykin	19	11	122	11.1	0	6.4
J.K. Dobbins	12	11	74	6.7	0	6.2
Nick Boyle	11	9	63	7.0	2	5.7
Mark Ingram	5	3	25	8.3	0	5.0
Patrick Ricard	4	3	17	5.7	1	4.3
Gus Edwards	3	0	0	–	0	0.0

Versus the Phillies, Snead & Boyle & Duvernay were all in double-digits in yards-per-target.

Target Distribution

WR	Targ	TE	Targ	RB	Targ
Marquise	42	Mandrews	33	Dobbins	12
Boykin	19	Boyle	11	Ingram	5
Snead	15			Ricard	4
Duvernay	12			Gus	3
	—		—		—
	88		44		24
WR	56.4%	TE	28.2%	RB	15.4%
Last Year:	42.9%	Last Year:	42.5%	Last Year:	14.6%

Hey Jim, do you have YAC numbers? if not it's no biggie, but i would like to see that if you do. thanks

[Iamjacks]

Duvernay is being used as an outside running back almost. If Lamar is throwing 1 yard passes to him, he's going to have a high catch rate and hopefully good yac. Duvernay's best plays have been kickoff returns and runs. It's great that Duvernay is serving as a 3rd run option, the Ravens needed one and Duvernay has been good at that, but it seems to me that Boykin might be the best on the Ravens as "catch 40 yard jump ball" guy. And they just don't do that much.

None of this stops the Ravens from getting a 17 point lead pretty quickly and sitting on it.

There really isn't any reason to worry at all.

So many here seem to want to panic after wins, the Ravens are 5-1. The next game, against the Steelers, is one of the toughest of the year. No matter what, I think people will find something to panic about. Will it be a win? I'd guess yes, but there are a handful of games that it wouldn't be a shock if the Ravens lost. There aren't that many teams that are good enough to beat the Ravens. At 5-0, maybe the Steeers are. They haven't yet with Lamar. The Ravens could go 15-1 with people criticizing Boykin after every game.

These are symptoms of post traumatic Ravens game disorder and nearly having a heart attack after each game. You don't realize how much this effects you until you watch a game with a Patriots fan right now.

[edromeo]

No confidence in deep passes?

Your guess is as good as mine. But regardless of the reasons (Lamar, Greg, Urban, Culley)...they've got to call them more and throw them when they're called and they're open.

other plays that stood out in the passing game:
1st play 3Q Miles open on slant (L) Hollywood gets the target (R) drops it -but penalty nullified the play anywayDidn't seem like Lamar

ever looked left. Did not like the pass either.

He looked but (remembered that his boy Hollywood was on the other side and quickly got his head around and whipped him the ball ;)

-His footwork on the drop back looked out of rhythm
-although he looks (L) after the snap he never sets his feet to throw the slant but instead is turning his head from L-R during his drop
-when he does set to throw he's throwing to Hollywood on the (R)

4Q 3:28 (no one open) but DuV gets shutdown on a comeback {stood out to me because these are Miles bread and butter}

Haven't gotten here yet.

[organizedchaos21]

Not sure how we want to define "better," but from raw production:

		Snaps	Yards	YPDB	TD	INT	Com	Com%
With 80	dropbacks	117	692	5.91	5	1	68	66.0%
Without 80	dropbacks	43	232	5.40	4	2	19	55.9%
Total	dropbacks	160	924	5.78	9	3	87	63.5%

Overall numbers includes 12 sacks for -79 and 10 scrambles for 74. Does not include Koch's fake punt. Numbers through week 5 (haven't confirmed snap counts for today yet).

Updating after week 6:

Type	play_type	Plays	Yards	YPP	TD	INT	Com	Att	Com%
With 80	dropbacks	127	734	5.78	6	1	73	111	65.8%
Without 80	dropbacks	65	427	6.57	4	2	30	53	56.6%
Total	dropbacks	192	1161	6.05	10	3	103	164	62.8%

192 dropbacks = 164 attempts + 15 sacks + 13 scrambles (Koch fake punt excluded)

Type	play_type	Plays	Yards	YPP	TD
With 80	called runs	93	543	5.84	2
Without 80	called runs	65	344	5.29	5
Total	called runs	158	887	5.61	7

158 called runs + 10 kneels + 13 scrambles = 181 runs (matches PFR)

[organizedchaos21]

Hey Jim, do you have YAC numbers? if not it's no biggie, but i would like to see that if you do. thanks

YAC is stupid and everyone has different numbers, so don't take these as gospel (one day nextGen will make their shit available, and they'll be the best source), but here's PFR's numbers (source: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...nced_receiving ):

Player	Tgt	Rec	YBC	YBC/R	YAC	YAC/R	ADOT
Brown	42	26	269	10.3	107	4.1	16.0
Andrews	33	20	192	9.6	51	2.6	11.4
Boykin	19	11	74	6.7	48	4.4	10.3
Dobbins	14	11	9	0.8	65	5.9	0.6
Snead	15	11	95	8.6	54	4.9	7.9
Duvernay	12	10	23	2.3	67	6.7	3.7
Boyle	11	9	51	5.7	12	1.3	5.3
Ingram	5	3	3	1	22	7.3	2.8
Ricard	5	3	4	1.3	13	4.3	1.4
Edwards	3	0	0	-	0	-	5.7

YBC - yards before catch (Air Yards)
YAC - yards after catch
ADOT - average depth of target

[JimZipCode]

158 called runs + 10 kneels + 13 scrambles = 181 runs (matches PFR)

Thanks for doing the runs!