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10-30-2020, 08:44 AM #193Hall Of Fame Poster
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10-30-2020, 08:45 AM #194Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Remember, Diversity is Our Strength
They could. They haven't. For one thing, jus soli hasn't been the law of the land in France. Generations of people born in France weren't French. That isn't the case here in the U.S. We didn't create generations of people who were American nationals but not citizens. France did. So did Germany, for that matter. So our ethnic ghettos tended to disperse by the third generation, the lone exception being African-Americans, but that's a whole different story.
Muslims aren't an exception. We assimilate them as well. We have for decades. Like any other immigrant family/group, the first generation tends to stick to their cultural comfort zone, but by the second generation those things are just quirky family habits on Thanksgiving.
France actively prevented assimilation for generations. They have a significant underclass that only gained citizenship fairly recently, and it's not like they were brought fully into the fold once that happened, much like passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 wasn't a magic spell that made all things better for blacks in America. In America, mosques are more likely to turn in suspected terrorists than succor them.
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Re: Remember, Diversity is Our Strength
I know this is what passes for common wisdom in Washington and the Ivy League, in Brussels and the Sorbonne, but it is demonstrably false.
So to be clear: You are on Team "It's the French's Fault the Muslims Keep Decapitating Them." Bold move.
But here's how it can be easily proven that is not the case.
France has millions of immigrants from all over the world. They have sizeable communities from South America, the Caribbean, Africa, China, and Southeast Asia among others. Not to mention millions of immigrants from the rest of Europe.
Only one group of immigrants keeps killing civilians in increasingly frequent and gruesome terrorist acts.
Hints: It's the Muslims. Bound not by race or ethnicity, but by religion. And the acts of course in the name of that religion.
So yes, Islam is a uniquely violent and dangerous ideology.
Why do these attacks, and many similarly anti-social acts, happen in France, Germany, the UK, Italy, Spain?
Why do they happen in Thailand? Sri Lanka? India? Pakistan?
Nigeria? Ethiopia? Egypt?
What is the common thread?
Islamic Supremacy. Nothing but.
You present America as somehow immune to this. I ask you what fucking country do you live in? (And then I remember: The swamp in DC is not part of THIS country.)
The Boston Marathon Bombing was carried out by Muslim refugees.
The Pulse Nightclub Shooting was carried out by the son of Muslim refugees.
The Fort Hood Shooting was carried out by the son of Muslim refugees.
The San Bernadino Shooting was carried out by the son of Muslim immigrants and his immigrant wife.
The only reason it doesn't happen here more often is because of demographics. That's it. No other reason.
Our immigration policies have only been misguided, thankfully; France's, and other parts of Europe, have been suicidal.
And there's no time like RIGHT FUCKING NOW to have that conversation imo.Last edited by pickles; 10-30-2020 at 08:33 PM.
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Re: Remember, Diversity is Our Strength
Except you don't do that. You just rant shit and ignore what was said.
It isn't happening here in the U.S. Yet. It could start happening here if twisted white nationalists like yourself end up running things.
It's the French's fault they have a large population of Muslims that don't see themselves as French, because they created that population. I get that you're ignorant of what America is and how we came to exist, but that's really not an excuse for not discussing things honestly and in good faith.
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10-30-2020, 09:05 PM #201Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Remember, Diversity is Our Strength
Lol, I don't want to have it because it's embarrassing. I have respect for people of faith and tradition even if it's not mine. I don't see Muslims and Christians, or Hindus or Buddhists for that matter as that different.
Faith, family, tradition....seems very American to me. The thing I find weird is that if you claim to be a devout Christian you probably have more in common with a devout Muslim than you realize. In my mind people of faith are natural allies.
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Re: Remember, Diversity is Our Strength
You: THeRe Is No IsLaMiC TeRrOrIsM iN tHe UnItEd StAtEs.
Me: Here's four incidents carried out by Muslim refugees/immigrants or their children. These attacks killed hundreds of Americans and maimed and wounded many hundreds more.
I could of course provide dozens of more examples of less publicized and lethal attacks.
You: YoU ArE RaNtInG! YOu'Re NoT PrOvIdInG FaCtS!
LOL. You're a clown bro. Everybody is laughing at you.
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Re: Remember, Diversity is Our Strength
I like you. You're a good poster. So please take this with all due respect:
The only thing you need to be embarrassed about is that fourth grade poem you just posted.
It espouses the most vapid and empty moral relativism, is dangerously naive and ignorant, and is observably false.
You may not see the religions differently. But that's because you're uniformed, not because it is true.
If everybody was the "same" why are Muslims the only people decapitating people over a cartoon?
If people of faith are "natural allies" why did a Muslim walk into a Catholic Church the other day and decapitate a 70 year old woman while shouting "Our God is greater!?"
If people of faith are "natural allies" why have thousands of Jews been forced to flee Paris and France as Muslims have immigrated bringing their violent anti-semitism with them?
If people of faith are "natural allies" then why does Shariah Law specifically detonate second class citizenship for Christian and Jews, and why do Christians and Jews face essentially genocide in Islamic societies?
You can't answer these questions. You know the things I say are correct. You just don't like them and wish they weren't so you wan't to shut down the conversation.
Facing the world as it is, and not as we want it to be, is the sign of a mature adult.
Edit: At no point have I said anything about Christianity. Criticizing the violent and supremacist ideology of Islam doesn't require any statement regarding Christianity's vices or virtues.Last edited by pickles; 10-31-2020 at 03:59 PM.
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10-31-2020, 06:31 PM #204Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Remember, Diversity is Our Strength
Well, if what your alluding to is true there is zero chance the middle east peace deals Trump brokered will hold. If Muslims cannot assimilate to the point of being non violent in our country how can they ever maintain a peace with the Jews? Guess all the negotiating over the last 50 years was nothing but a waste of time.
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