More political violence from Democrats/the left.

**FloridaBasedFan** · 10-16-2020, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by owknows

Are you confused by the suggestion that Communist ANTIFA and BLM employ Fascist tactics?

You seem like a pretty smart guy to me... wouldn't think that observation would floor ya.

National Socialists (Nazis) and Bolshevik Communists shared a lot of tactics and totalitarian goals.

ANTIFA kinda unifies them. They are the most Fascist organization the planet has seen in 80 years.

Hopefully you have read my last response to this comment. Yes, i see the tactics being employed by a few associated with BLM and followers of ANTIFA thoughts. Like i said, most involved in these protest are looking to simply find an audience to listen to their grievances and attempt to attain what they believe to be just. I believe that the best way to dis-empower those few who are employing said tactics is to engage the masses.

The difference i see is that to many here want to simply throw stats at an emotional problem and i just dont see that as ever leading to progress. I can find a source or a stat to support just about any stance on any issue you could dream up as im sure you could as well. It has been my experience that the answers often times lie in an open mind and willingness to listen to others.

**BustOfPallas** · 10-16-2020, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by FloridaBasedFan

Many here make me laugh. Such a huge deal over a little violence, looting and burning during what are for the most part peaceful protests. Id be willing to bet a business owner has a 5 times greater chance of dying from corona virus as having his business looted, burned, or robbed by protesters. And we know the virus is much ado about nothing. So why the big deal about the disturbances? Everyone on here must realize if we are not the most violent industrialized country on earth we come close. The economic impact of these disturbances has been minimal in comparison the bigger picture with whats going on in the country.

Im by no means condoning violent, criminal behavior but it seems that on this board it has been given a lot more significance than it deserves.

Lol, You just condoned criminal behavior AND you used the "mostly peaceful protests" meme. You actually think it's acceptable to allow people to run wild and burn businesses, peoples ability to work for their livelihoods, to the ground. Unbelievable. I guess we should dispense with property rights right now according to you.

I seriously fucking doubt you would be okay if "Proud Boys" burned down your restaurant, garage, gas station or place of business. So why is it okay in this instance?
Florida - "Oh, let them burn it... they are just angry white victims of globalisation... can't blame them for society teaching them they are entitled to a government that will protect them and look after their interests. Insurance will cover it. God bless their Pepe loving hearts...."

**NCRAVEN** · 10-16-2020, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by BustOfPallas

Lol, You just condoned criminal behavior AND you used the "mostly peaceful protests" meme. You actually think it's acceptable to allow people to run wild and burn businesses, peoples ability to work for their livelihoods, to the ground. Unbelievable. I guess we should dispense with property rights right now according to you.

I seriously fucking doubt you would be okay if "Proud Boys" burned down your restaurant, garage, gas station or place of business. So why is it okay in this instance?
Florida - "Oh, let them burn it... they are just angry white victims of globalisation... can't blame them for society teaching them they are entitled to a government that will protect them and look after their interests. Insurance will cover it. God bless their Pepe loving hearts...."

I swear I feel like he watches MSNBC and parrots the shit here the next day.

**FloridaBasedFan** · 10-16-2020, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

I swear I feel like he watches MSNBC and parrots the shit here the next day.

NEVER watch that channel.

**FloridaBasedFan** · 10-16-2020, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by BustOfPallas

Lol, You just condoned criminal behavior AND you used the "mostly peaceful protests" meme. You actually think it's acceptable to allow people to run wild and burn businesses, peoples ability to work for their livelihoods, to the ground. Unbelievable. I guess we should dispense with property rights right now according to you.

I seriously fucking doubt you would be okay if "Proud Boys" burned down your restaurant, garage, gas station or place of business. So why is it okay in this instance?
Florida - "Oh, let them burn it... they are just angry white victims of globalisation... can't blame them for society teaching them they are entitled to a government that will protect them and look after their interests. Insurance will cover it. God bless their Pepe loving hearts...."

I did not condone violence. I said it is overblown.

As a business owner i reap the rewards because i take the risk. Isnt that how it works? So this is a risk. These owners got caught up in a very bad situation, thru no fault of their own, in this case by virtue of location. So did business owners in Louisiana. Businesses wiped out by virtue of location. The only difference is one was an Act of God while the other was response to a murder.

As for the other dribble you attributed to me you must be mistaken. I dont think i ever excused criminal behavior.

**owknows** · 10-16-2020, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by FloridaBasedFan

NEVER watch that channel.

So ya got that goin for ya...

**StalkRavenMad** · 10-16-2020, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

You think this guy was justified cause he was slapped. Yet Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer

What color is the moon on your planet?

I dont think he was justified. Just pointing out that it happens in the left and the right.

**owknows** · 10-16-2020, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by FloridaBasedFan

These owners got caught up in a very bad situation, thru no fault of their own, in this case by virtue of location. So did business owners in Louisiana. Businesses wiped out by virtue of location. The only difference is one was an Act of God while the other was response to a murder.

One was an act of God,, and the other was a crime spree..

It's ok.. you can say it... they know.

**FloridaBasedFan** · 10-16-2020, 09:41 PM

[QUOTE=owknows;1961486]I think we both consider ANTIFA dangerous. Largely because it is attractive to miscreants who really have trouble finding a place to fit in society, and who really are somewhat politically aimless. They are easily manipulated by the older voices in the movement who have an actual agenda.

Yes

QAnon is just a bunch of retards following a 4chan Larper

Agreed, but those retards are responsible for some crazy acts.

You are actually mistaken about this. They are heavily organized with chapters in every US State, and with secure communications and outside funding. They have thus far been used largely as a political tool of the left. But they are not without an agenda of their own. They each believe they are using the other.

My thoughts would change on this if I saw what i believed to be credible evidence. At this point in time Im basing my thoughts of the FBI directors assessment that ANTIFA is a philosophy acted upon by individuals in an unorganized manner. Im not saying you are wrong, just that ive seen nothing that, in my mind, outweighs the FBIs assessment.

Nationwide... there might be as many as a few hundred Proudboys... probably not even that many. There are tens of thousand of ANTIFA

Like i said, im more concerned about the unidentified lone wolves than i am about the identified groups.

I don't much care about the grievances of communists.[/QUOTE]

Im not talking about the grievances of communists. Im talking about the grievances voiced by the 20 somethings who gather en mass in hopes of rectifying some injustice. In Floyds case it was police brutality. Take away the masses and the communists have no platform.

**NCRAVEN** · 10-16-2020, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

I dont think he was justified. Just pointing out that it happens in the left and the right.

Right. Spend all your time defending one and vilifying the other. You’re a shining example of what it is to be unbiased.

**NCRAVEN** · 10-16-2020, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by owknows

One was an act of God,, and the other was a crime spree..

It's ok.. you can say it... they know.

Marxism- if you change the language you change the logic.

**NCRAVEN** · 10-16-2020, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by FloridaBasedFan

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Im not talking about the grievances of communists. Im talking about the grievances voiced by the 20 somethings who gather en mass in hopes of rectifying some injustice. In Floyds case it was police brutality. Take away the masses and the communists have no platform.

How exactly does burning businesses and destroying cities rectify the death of George Floyd?