A death in dueling Denver protests

**Moe the Crow** · 10-11-2020, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

According to multiple reports the victim engaged the suspect smack him in the face and sprayed him with a chemical. The victim was a right winger and the suspect was a security guard.

I am reading that after the rally the shooter instigated it by approaching and hurling insults. The victim was a veteran and was there with his son who witnessed the killing.

“My son Lee was at the patriot rally today in Denver,” she wrote to the group. “After the rally a person on the BLM and Antifa side went up to him said a few nasty words then shot him in the head. He was murdered because he backed the police.”

I'm presenting this with the understanding that it's a second hand account coming from the victims mother.

**Moe the Crow** · 10-11-2020, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by owknows

Hmmm... The city of Denver has released a statement saying the Shooter (who has been arrested) was not licensed or authorized to work as a security guard in the City of Denver.

He (the shooter) is being held without bond, and will be charged with murder in the first degree.

The whole thing is very fishy. The shooter is definitely a lefty occupy type.

He was a big time Bernie Bro apparently.

**owknows** · 10-11-2020, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Moe the Crow

The whole thing is very fishy. The shooter is definitely a lefty occupy type.

He was a big time Bernie Bro apparently.

>not a licensed security guard.

>no concealed carry permit.

>not a Pinkerton agency employee. (although Pinkerton had the contract for the job)

>had an Antifa background

>producer uses press credentials to illegally gain access for the "security guard"

>rumor of soon-to-be-leaked communications that show the 9news producer, the shooter and their friend conspiring in advance to start trouble with the patriot group to generate a story for 9news

**pickles** · 10-11-2020, 10:35 PM

The fair and balanced media.

**Moe the Crow** · 10-11-2020, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by owknows

>not a licensed security guard.

>no concealed carry permit.

>not a Pinkerton agency employee. (although Pinkerton had the contract for the job)

>had an Antifa background

>producer uses press credentials to illegally gain access for the "security guard"

>rumor of soon-to-be-leaked communications that show the 9news producer, the shooter and their friend conspiring in advance to start trouble with the patriot group to generate a story for 9news

They will all go down if that's the case. That's just totally fuc**ing sick if true.

**owknows** · 10-11-2020, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Moe the Crow

They will all go down if that's the case. That's just totally fuc**ing sick if true.

Yeah... it's a rumor at the moment... so take it with a grain of salt..

But the fact that it even seems credible speaks volumes

**pickles** · 10-11-2020, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by pickles

The shooter must have been Antifa. And there must be no denying it.

That's why they've switched to this playbook. Instead of the media misidentifying him as a "right winger" they are know going to accuse "conservative" media of doing what they always do. Lie about the motives of domestic terrorists.

Classic projection.

It's amazing that somebody as intelligent as the OP would carry water for such obvious hypocrisy.

So a zillion percent correct right from jump street with no information because if you understand the Marxist nature of the media, then you can decipher the truth through their collection of lies.

**Moe the Crow** · 10-11-2020, 10:53 PM

Jesus the whole thing appears to be a setup. The BLM guy looks like he instigated the entire thing.

https://twitter.com/rustyyyyy69

That guy was no security guard. This was an operation or staged event of some kind.

This looks very similar to the left wing execution that occurred in Portland as well. Almost identical.

Get a black guy to go up and get in the victims face and provoke him, then another guy shoots him.

This one was botched terribly. I hope it turns out the black guy was involved and they both go down.

The shooter looks like the type of guy that will crumble utterly. Looks like a bit of a p***y. He's not going to get a chance to kill himself by police like the other left wing murderer.

I mean, c'mon. Is it obvious to anyone else that this is what happened? It's so fucking obvious.

**Moe the Crow** · 10-11-2020, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

According to multiple reports the victim engaged the suspect smack him in the face and sprayed him with a chemical. The victim was a right winger and the suspect was a security guard.

Uh yeah, you're wrong. Looks like completely wrong. This was very likely a staged occurrence where the shooter, who it's becoming clearer is an occupy/Antifa type guy working with BLM were fucking with guys to create incidents for propaganda and they bungled it and now that little granola protestor white boy is going to rot in jail. I hope the black guy that was clearly the aggressor and trouble maker goes to jail as an accomplice as well.

**StalkRavenMad** · 10-11-2020, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by pickles

Now I'm not saying you're lying. But your sources might be.

So why don't you cite some of those multiple reports.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/denver-sh...ed-pro-cop-vet
Here is one

**Moe the Crow** · 10-12-2020, 06:19 AM

The guy murdered was a hat maker.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status...12307967127554

**bacchys** · 10-12-2020, 07:35 AM

Security guard suspected in fatal protest shooting not licensed in Denver, city says

Lee Keltner became at least the fourth person shot during protests in Colorado so far this year when he was killed Saturday after a conflict with a private security guard in downtown Denver.

Family members identified Keltner, 49, as the man fatally shot during dueling protests Saturday in downtown Denver. Police on Sunday identified a 30-year-old man as the suspect and confirmed he was working as a private security guard at the time and not participating in the protest.

But city officials don’t believe shooting suspect Matthew Robert Dolloff was licensed to work as an armed private security guard in Denver.

He was working as a contracted security guard for Denver television station 9News when the shooting occurred, the television station has said.

A sequence of photos of the incident captured by a Denver Post photographer appears to show Keltner slapping Dolloff in the face before the two back away from each other. The next image shows Dolloff shooting at Keltner — a shell casing is seen being ejected from his handgun — as Keltner fires a cloud of pepper spray at Dolloff.

Police detained Dolloff and a 9News employee at the scene, but released the station employee after he gave a statement.
The man who died has not been named publicly by officials, but his son identified him as Lee Keltner in an interview with The Post on Sunday.

Keltner, 49, was a Navy veteran who ran a hat-making business in the Denver area for many years, his son, Johnathon Keltner, said.

“He wasn’t a part of any group,” Johnathon Keltner said. “He was there to rally for the police department and he’d been down there before rallying for the police department.”
Carol Keltner, who said she lives in Arkansas and identified herself as Lee Keltner’s mother, posted a message on the Northeast Arkansas Tea Party Group on Facebook announcing his death at the Denver rally. “He was murdered because he backed the police,” she wrote.

At least three others have been shot during protests in Colorado this year. Two were injured in a shooting during a protest in Aurora and another man was shot in the head during a protest in Alamosa.

A Facebook page with Dolloff’s full name and a photo that appears to match his jail booking photo shows that he worked on a ranch on the Eastern Plains where he raised sheep and dogs. Court records show Dolloff had no previous criminal history beyond traffic incidents.

Pinkerton, the security company 9News said it contracted with for the protest, did not reply to questions from The Post sent Sunday morning.

While Pinkerton had an active license to employ security guards in Denver, officials have no record that Dolloff had the required city license to work as a private security guard, said Eric Escudero, spokesman for the Denver Department of Excise and Licenses.
“We do not currently have an active license and have never had an active license for anybody with that name,” he said. “If he was operating as a security guard, he was in violation of the law.”

The cities of Denver, Colorado Springs and Glendale require private security guards to obtain city-issued licenses, though there are no statewide license requirements. Denver’s licensing process requires guards to complete 16 hours of training by an “eligible training provider” before working in the city. Further training is required before a guard can carry a firearm during work or dress in plainclothes.

Someone working as private security without the required license can face up to a $999 fine and a year in jail, Escudero said. If a registered security company employs guards who are not licensed, the company can also face fines and the suspension or revocation of their license.

A job listing by Pinkerton for a part-time security job in Denver states applicants must have a high school diploma, a concealed carry license and a merchant guard license, which is offered by the city.

The investigation into Dolloff’s and Pinkerton’s licensing is ongoing, Escudero said.

The shooting took place as two opposing groups demonstrated in Civic Center on Saturday. Dozens of people gathered for a “Patriot Rally,” which was protested by dozens of people who attended an event called a “BLM-Antifa Soup Drive.” The two groups yelled at each other prior to the shooting, but police kept them separated.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/1...tthew-dolloff/

The question of whether he was legally working as private security is, I think, a separate legal question to whether the shooting was justified. As in the killing of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta, I think it will hinge on whether less lethal force or the threat of less lethal force justifies the use of deadly force. I don't know what Colorado law has to say on it. I couldn't find case law on point in Georgia.

One major difference: a cop killed Brooks. Those investigating that case are more likely than not looking for reasons not to charge, while in this one the investigators are likely trying to build a case to prosecute. Unlike the cop who shot Brooks, this shooter is currently in jail while the investigation continues.

It's unsurprising that the "law and order" folks here at RSR are more concerned with identity than evidence. So far, I've seen nothing that links the shooter to antifa. Just unsupported assertions from extremely biased dipshits like Charlie Kirk.