1st Prez Debate Live Stream

**pickles** · 09-30-2020, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

I doubt he is a white supremacist. But what he does want is their votes. He wants the vote of them and other aggrieved people in the country who feel their way of life is slipping away due to the minorities in this country. Therefore, he'll always be squishy when answering a question like that. It's pure politics for him. The squishyness keeps them engaged and voting.

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The white supremacist vote is pretty small, bro.

**darb72** · 09-30-2020, 01:22 AM

Yep, these groups are white supremacists.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Enri...w=1777&bih=883

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tusi...6hv53J8Huc80DM

It's like our resident racists can't be bothered with facts.

**pickles** · 09-30-2020, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

The white supremacist vote is pretty small, bro.

how big do you think it is?

I'm curious.

**darb72** · 09-30-2020, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

how big do you think it is?

I'm curious.

Uh-huh.

**pickles** · 09-30-2020, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by darb72

Uh-huh.

My quote was messed up, but I was hoping to ask ddr__jr how big he thought the white supremacist vote was. Because I don't think it is very large at all.

**darb72** · 09-30-2020, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

My quote was messed up, but I was hoping to ask ddr__jr how big he thought the white supremacist vote was. Because I don't think it is very large at all.

I broke the numbers down on a thread a while back, and it's a remarkably small amount.

"In 2017 there were 234,000,000 million white people living in America. Going by the SPLC's shoddy standards there were 155 white nationalists groups in America. It's worth remembering that the SPLC listed Dr. Ben Carson as an "extremist".

1% of 234,000,000 is 2,340,000. Let's put that number as a baseline into our factoring so we'll get 15,000 members per hate group. Understand that each of the 30 cells of the KKK counts as one hate group for both the SPLC and ADL and there are only 3,000 members of the clan at the moment meaning there's about 100 members per cell. That's a far cry from the 15,000 members we'd expect with 1% of the white population being white supremacists.

Cut the 1% to .5% and we're at 7,500 per group. Cut it in half again to .2 and we're at roughly 3,000 per group. We'll have to get down to .02% to TRIPLE the median number of people in each KKK group. So for 300 people per hate group (155) we'd need .02% of the population. Stormfront is the largest white supremacist group with 300,000 listed members in 2015 although web traffic data shows that there aren't nearly that many people visiting, and we can't be sure they're all from the U.S. anyway. But we'll take the 300,000 from 2015 because that's what we have, and I'll even allow that every member is one person and a United States citizen.

My best guess is .2% of the population are white supremacists which gives us 465,000. That number fits rather nicely with the the small numbers in white supremacist cells and how many members Stormfront had at it's max. That's not counting how many of these individual hate groups have cross-over members and I'm willing to bet KKK members post on Stormfront.

.2% of the population is a small fraction of a percentage. Are there racists out there that don't belong to these groups? Absolutely, but we can't know the exact number."

This is of course not taking into account that quite a few white supremacists are convicted felons so can't vote. The argument that the Proud Boys or Patriot Prayer are white nationalists groups is moronic at best, showing a complete disregard for facts.

Meanwhile we have "people" on this thread that rabidly defend the Black Lives Matter group despite the numerous times BLM has engaged in anti-Semitic behavior.
https://newspress.com/blm-l-a-leader-and-anti-semitism/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...israel-critics
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/blac...eir-own-words/
https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/...498633672.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexrei.../#76d51895152a

**Terpsfan82** · 09-30-2020, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Vlad the lad

I tried to go back a few times. Too hard to watch. In my opinion, trump blew it. All of the yelling and interrupting will turn people off. And give Biden an excuse to not do any more debates.

Trump needs to hammer about Biden admitting he wants to keep things closed down.

I think Biden lost some bites today with his stumbling. He look solid at some points, but stumbled several times. I am more convinced Biden is in the early stages of some mental issue. Maybe dementia?

Trump didn't blow it, IMO. It was hard to watch though. I expected the bickering and the pettiness. I actually fell asleep on it, so I only saw about an hour.

**ddr_jr** · 09-30-2020, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

The white supremacist vote is pretty small, bro.

I agree. Which makes it so perplexing why he refuses to make the easy layup.

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**ddr_jr** · 09-30-2020, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by darb72

I broke the numbers down on a thread a while back, and it's a remarkably small amount.

"In 2017 there were 234,000,000 million white people living in America. Going by the SPLC's shoddy standards there were 155 white nationalists groups in America. It's worth remembering that the SPLC listed Dr. Ben Carson as an "extremist".

1% of 234,000,000 is 2,340,000. Let's put that number as a baseline into our factoring so we'll get 15,000 members per hate group. Understand that each of the 30 cells of the KKK counts as one hate group for both the SPLC and ADL and there are only 3,000 members of the clan at the moment meaning there's about 100 members per cell. That's a far cry from the 15,000 members we'd expect with 1% of the white population being white supremacists.

Cut the 1% to .5% and we're at 7,500 per group. Cut it in half again to .2 and we're at roughly 3,000 per group. We'll have to get down to .02% to TRIPLE the median number of people in each KKK group. So for 300 people per hate group (155) we'd need .02% of the population. Stormfront is the largest white supremacist group with 300,000 listed members in 2015 although web traffic data shows that there aren't nearly that many people visiting, and we can't be sure they're all from the U.S. anyway. But we'll take the 300,000 from 2015 because that's what we have, and I'll even allow that every member is one person and a United States citizen.

My best guess is .2% of the population are white supremacists which gives us 465,000. That number fits rather nicely with the the small numbers in white supremacist cells and how many members Stormfront had at it's max. That's not counting how many of these individual hate groups have cross-over members and I'm willing to bet KKK members post on Stormfront.

.2% of the population is a small fraction of a percentage. Are there racists out there that don't belong to these groups? Absolutely, but we can't know the exact number."

This is of course not taking into account that quite a few white supremacists are convicted felons so can't vote. The argument that the Proud Boys or Patriot Prayer are white nationalists groups is moronic at best, showing a complete disregard for facts.

Meanwhile we have "people" on this thread that rabidly defend the Black Lives Matter group despite the numerous times BLM has engaged in anti-Semitic behavior.
https://newspress.com/blm-l-a-leader-and-anti-semitism/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...israel-critics
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/blac...eir-own-words/
https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/...498633672.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexrei.../#76d51895152a

What does this have to do with the Proud Boys using his words and capitalizing on it? Watch, he won't disavow any of it after the fact. His people will do it. He won't do it himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...-comment%3famp

In his sick mind, he thinks this helps him.

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**Terpsfan82** · 09-30-2020, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

What does this have to do with the Proud Boys using his words and capitalizing on it? Watch, he won't disavow any of it after the fact. His people will do it. He won't do it himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...-comment%3famp

In his sick mind, he thinks this helps him.

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Exactly. Epitome of dog whistle. Reckless and dangerous.

**NCRAVEN** · 09-30-2020, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

What does this have to do with the Proud Boys using his words and capitalizing on it? Watch, he won't disavow any of it after the fact. His people will do it. He won't do it himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...-comment%3famp

In his sick mind, he thinks this helps him.

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I don’t know much of anything about the Proud boys other what I’ve seen from a guy who live streams the riots around the country. One of the things I’ve seen is that there are a lot of people who are not white in there group. Like I linked to their leader is Cuban.

Trump can’t be responsible for the using his words. One thing I noticed about your link. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a pretty far-left org, so their designation of The Proud Boys as a terrorist group is kinda meaningless.

**Terpsfan82** · 09-30-2020, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

I don’t know much of anything about the Proud boys other what I’ve seen from a guy who live streams the riots around the country. One of the things I’ve seen is that there are a lot of people who are not white in there group. Like I linked to their leader is Cuban.

Trump can’t be responsible for the using his words. One thing I noticed about your link. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a pretty far-left org, so their designation of The Proud Boys as a terrorist group is kinda meaningless.

The POTUS is "not responsible"? That's what being a leader is supposed to be about. He had a chance to be presidential and he didn't.