Coachwatch 2020

[camdenyard]

Okay here we go, this is greatly abridged

Paul Brown
-> Bud Grant
-> Ara Parseghian
-> Lou Saban
-> Don Shula
-> Bill Walsh
--> Dennis Green
--> Sam Wyche
--> Mike Holmgren
- - --> Andy Reid -> Andy Reid branch
-> Weeb Ewbank
--> Chuck Knox
--> Charley Winner
- - --> Buddy Ryan
- - --> Red Miller
- - - - --> Bill Belichick -> Bill Belichick branch

Pretty much everything about modern coaching originates with Paul Brown. It's his tree.

Don't forget Brian Billick came out of the Bill Walsh branch...

[WNCRavensFan]

Don't forget Brian Billick came out of the Bill Walsh branch...

If we want to go over Ravens coaches we can...

Paul Brown

Bill Walsh
|
-> Dennis Green
--> Brian Billick
----> Mike Nolan
-------> Mike Singletary
----> Marvin Lewis
----> Jack Del Rio
-------> Mike Smith

-> Rod Dowhower
--> Jim Fassel

-> Paul Hackett
--> Hue Jackson

-> Mike Holmgren
--> Andy Reid
----> John Harbaugh
-------> Chuck Pagano
--> Jim Zorn
--> Steve Mariucci
----> Marty Mornhinweg
--> Ray Rhodes
----> Jon Gruden
-------> Bill Callahan
----------> Marc Trestman
----------> Jim Harbaugh
---------------> David Shaw

Weeb Ewbank
|
-> Charley Winner
--> Buddy Ryan
----> Rex Ryan
----> Jeff Fisher
-------> Jim Schwartz

-> Chuck Knox
--> Dick Vermeil
----> Terry Donahue
-------> Rick Neuheisel

Blanton Collier
|
-> Charlie Bradshaw
--> Charley Pell
----> Mike Shanahan
-------> Gary Kubiak

Ara Parseghian
|
-> Bo Schembechler
--> Gary Moeller
----> Cam Cameron

Don Shula
|
-> Chuck Nolll
--> Tony Dungy
----> Jim Caldwell

and for good measure...

Lou Saban
|
-> Sam Rutigliano
--> Dick MacPherson
----> George O' Leary
-------> Ralph Friedgen

[sailorsam]

Hank Stram used to have quite the reputation as an offensive creator
he was a bit of a self promoter; wrote a book called 'They're Playing my Game'

can't find any info on his assistants. Wiki says he had no OC or DC

[sailorsam]

NY Daily News wants to fire Gase now

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...jgi-story.html

The Jets are much worse than just a bad football team now. They’re a laughingstock careening towards historic ineptitude.
Giving Adam Gase his walking papers won’t be an elixir, but it’s a common-sense first step toward shedding this franchise’s punchline status.

only winless team.
I'd be surprised to see him coach the whole season.

[Ravenswintitle]

How about Rivera benching his QB and going to Kyle Allen because he saw that the conference was winnable -- and then losing to the winless Giants...

[VermontRaven]

How about Rivera benching his QB and going to Kyle Allen because he saw that the conference was winnable -- and then losing to the winless Giants...

Maybe his last resort is benching Allen and see what Alex Smith has.

[edromeo]

Nice work.

I thought Mile Shanahan coached under Bill Walsh?
And the Mike Holmgren tree is really just a continuation of the Walsh tree

[WNCRavensFan]

Nice work.

I thought Mile Shanahan coached under Bill Walsh?
And the Mike Holmgren tree is really just a continuation of the Walsh tree

When you have a coaching tree as extensive as Coach Brown's some of the branches become incestuous.

Anyway, Shanahan worked as OC for Charley Pell's Florida teams and that is what got him to the NFL. He was OC for Dan Reeves at Denver and then got his first HC gig for the Raiders. After Al Davis fired him in 1989 he went to San Francisco.

Reeves belongs to the Tom Landry coaching tree and not Brown's, as he went directly from playing under Landry to assistant coach for Dallas. So Shanahan belongs to both, but Brown's influence is a lot more prominent than Landry's today.

[PalladinInNC]

Bill Walsh was the one who actually implemented the West Coast Offense which really revolutionized the game. Things really changed after that. Prior there was not much innovation so I find it hard to credit Brown with starting the tree. Like crediting Einstein’s great, great, great, great grandparents for his genius. Does not make sense.

You are correct sir. Also, Paul Brown deliberately kept Walsh from being hired for HC positions because he knew how good a coach he was. Brown bad mouthed Walsh to others and did everything he could to not lose him. That Paul Brown tree was pretty rotten at its core!

[GOTA]

Everyone forgets that Bill Walsh's first NFL job was with the Raiders. Al Davis was a true believer in the Sid Gillman offense and that's what Walsh learned.

The Bengals had a great QB named Greg Cook who was perfect for this style of offense. In his second season Cook suffers a career ending injury. His backup Virgil Carter had a weak arm but was very accurate. He couldn't succeed in the Gillman offense which was all about getting the ball down field. That's where Walsh starts modifying the Gillman system to suit his QB.

Carter wasn't very good but his replacement Ken Anderson was a lot more talented. Instead of just throwing out the system he used with Virgil, Walsh keeps it and adds more of the Gillman deep passes since he now has a stronger armed QB along with Issac Curtis who was a true deep threat. Curtis would average over 20 yards per reception in this early West Coast system.

They always put Bill Walsh in the Paul Brown tree but Sid Gillman and Al Davis had just as much of an impact as Brown did on Bill Walsh.

[sailorsam]

(something I read a few years ago)
when Al Davis had a coach job open he'd interview assistants from his division, pick their brains, and promote one of his existing coaches.

Shanny really impressed him, to be hired as he was. maybe his coaches were getting slack. (at one point they recycled Art Shell).

(I wonder if guys like Shanahan and Gruden were too independent for him.)

Davis' worst coaching move was to fire Gruden and end up losing a SB to him. he had some great teams early 2000s (lost the AFCCG to Ravens) but no ring. (that was the tuck-rule-game era)

[WNCRavensFan]

Everyone forgets that Bill Walsh's first NFL job was with the Raiders. Al Davis was a true believer in the Sid Gillman offense and that's what Walsh learned.

The Bengals had a great QB named Greg Cook who was perfect for this style of offense. In his second season Cook suffers a career ending injury. His backup Virgil Carter had a weak arm but was very accurate. He couldn't succeed in the Gillman offense which was all about getting the ball down field. That's where Walsh starts modifying the Gillman system to suit his QB.

Carter wasn't very good but his replacement Ken Anderson was a lot more talented. Instead of just throwing out the system he used with Virgil, Walsh keeps it and adds more of the Gillman deep passes since he now has a stronger armed QB along with Issac Curtis who was a true deep threat. Curtis would average over 20 yards per reception in this early West Coast system.

They always put Bill Walsh in the Paul Brown tree but Sid Gillman and Al Davis had just as much of an impact as Brown did on Bill Walsh.

Was that with the NFL or AFL? -checks- 1966, so AFL. But after Cincinnati he was OC for the San Diego Chargers - definitely Sid Gillman's offense, through Don Coryell.

Not only do the Brown and Gillman trees share the Walsh branch, but also the Chuck Noll / Tony Dungy, Chuck Knox and Dick Vermeil branches. It's interesting to go back in history and see all the influences certain people had on each other. Essentially, if you're really successful, people steal your stuff.

Now here's something I had no idea about. What was Bill Walsh's first professional head coaching job? It's right there in the Wiki: the San Jose Apaches of the 1967 Continental Football League. The year before he joined the Bengals.